Challenge to Brothawolf… (Part II)


I couldn’t get Brothawolf (BW) to respond meaningfully to this thought exercise, so I figured I’d try another.

This one’s really simple… (but maybe not so easy):

If you could wish slavery entirely out of America’s past… would you?

 

— xPraetorius

 

13 thoughts on “Challenge to Brothawolf… (Part II)

    1. Even if that meant that you would either wink millions of black people out of existence, or leave them all in terrible circumstances in Africa?

      Yes, yes, I know… they would simply be millions of other black people, and living in Africa. But you, your friends, your family, your friends’ families would either not exist at all, or would have lives one whole, heckuva lot worse than they have now.

      In wishing away the suffering of those past hundreds of thousands of Africans brought here against their will, you’d be wishing poverty, suffering, slavery, violent death, disease on millions of Africans today.

      Pretty horrible and inhuman of you.

      Honestly, you’re the first black person I’ve spoken with who, when presented with that hypothetical, answered, “Yes.”

      After some thought, they all (a dozen or so) said that while the past had horrors in it, it was, indeed, past, and what followed was a steady improvement in the lives of black Americans.

      After thought, they all realized that they wouldn’t do anything to jeopardize that massive progress.

      Oh, by the way, all of them thought about it for quite a bit, because they wanted to work through all the likely scenarios. Their very first, off-the-cuff responses were, “Of course!”

      But, on further reflection, None of them could find a positive scenario for black people in America, without there first having been slavery.

      Needless to say, I’ve posed this question to numerous white people as well. All of them initially said, “Of course!” Then, after some thought, they all changed their minds. They realized that it would mean losing valuable friends and respected influences, all of whom they’d never have even met, or who wouldn’t even exist.

      Same with me. If I were able to wish slavery out of America’s past, I’m pretty sure I’d lose four of my very closest friends, as well as numerous heroes whom I very much look up to.

      So, wishing all that suffering on all those millions of present-day people is pretty awful of you, BW. Why would you do that?

      Best,

      — x

      1. Okay, before I reply, whether you disagree or not, whether you like it or not, you’re trying to turn slavery into a positive, You’re basically turning one of humanity’s greatest atrocities into a blessing in disguise. One can see it and see how morally deprived it is, lacks any consideration of history and how it echos the sentiments of many white supremacists and white nationalists.

        You say how wishing slavery out of existence would doom the lives of Africans. That’s based on another white supremacist idea that Africans and blacks are incapable of taking care of themselves. Second, it also negates one very important piece of history you neglected, the European colonization of Africa. It is written and recorded that the “scramble for Africa” by Europeans was done to exploit the natural resources, raw materials, and the cruel treatment of the natives in whatever land they colonized. It was this time that anti-black racism was being born as Europeans saw them as ‘inferior’. They also contributed to tribes turning against each other as European nations divided the land among themselves separating friendly ethnic groups while pitting enemies against each other.

        The imperialism only benefited in favor of Europeans as it helped made their nations richer and gave them more free reign of advancement. Basically, the European nations plundered the continent at the expense of the native people. This would take place after or in the last years of the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade.

        I brought up the colonization of Africa to highlight an important detail that’s often neglected. People assume that the wars and famine you hear regularly in the Western media, the media you classify as liberal, have always been there prior to European imperialism and slavery. While there were wars fought in Africa, there were also wars in Europe and America, both predominantly white countries. Making hollowed statements that Africa is a large land of ruin and dysfunction and that white people saved their people is nothing short of racist and white supremacist rhetoric.

        Also, avoiding periods that occurred after slavery such as Jim Crow and the War on Drugs is also harmful. It would imply that black people not only have it better here in America, but it’s a paradise compared to Africa. It also implies that the entire continent is rife with war, disease and hunger even when the continent is one of Earth’s largest. It’s to ignore the diverse groups of tribes, ethnicities, cities, nations, economies, etc. A quick search online would show the Africa they DON’T SHOW you in our media, and you would be surprised, as well as I, of how beautiful many parts of it is.

        Am I accusing you of being a racist or white supremacist? No. At least not this time. But making such a conclusion is indeed racist and white supremacist. You may object and call it fact and consider it not racist, but it is NOT based on fact, nor is it based on research beyond that of white nationalist teachings, limited accurate history of Africa and an influence of the Western media.

        You also neglected how if my ancestors were not brought here, we would still maintain our names, cultures, histories, languages and overall ways of life, things some would say are more important than wealth, because it tells us who we are.

        It’s impossible to know how Africa would be today without European colonization and slavery. Again, to assume that it’s always been, as your president says, a sh*thole, is not based on information. Many great things came from nations and empires from the continent that are still being done today, but are ignored for the Western narrative in favor of the single story of war, disease, famine and the white saviors to save them all. All it takes is a quick google search for a quick glimpse, and a lot of research to get a better and broader idea.

        We can guess a lot of things would be true today without European invasion and exploitation. But they are only guesses based on the available info we have.

        But I shouldn’t have to teach it to you, because it’s not my job or any other black person’s job, especially as you have a habit of trying to correct us. We don’t have the time to teach the unteachable, if you’re unwilling to be taught that doesn’t appeal to your thinking, and it’s not up to us to do what you are more than capable of doing yourself.

        If there are black people who agree with you, fine. But I don’t have to, because we don’t all think alike and we shouldn’t. Implying any way that my thinking is dangerous also implies that all of us should think alike, especially if it pleases you or agrees with the white racist assumption (that you would likely disagree with having) that nods towards black inferiority which is something people on the right tend to do. They always point to cities like Detroit or nations like Haiti to show that blacks and Africans are incapable of governing themselves without knowing full well of the circumstances or causes that have driven these and other places into the states their in all in the most likely attempt to prove that whites are superior to blacks. Nothing else could explain it.

        Yes, African Americans can go back to Africa if we want to, some of us actually, but it’s not that simple, and we won’t do it as many white people angrily told us. That would require an actual conversation without any objections on your part. Disagreeing is fine, but objecting and talking back isn’t.

        Yes, the African Americans of today, myself included, wouldn’t exist today, but the destruction, enslavement and exploitation wouldn’t have happened either which would have lasting residual effects that would be just as, if not more, devastating.

        But one thing you never thought of is that Europeans and white Americans shouldn’t have used slavery and colonization and instead treated us like equals that would helped both sides. Why not cooperated with the African people in a way it benefits both people? Why not ask Africans to help them build their nations? Why not simply leave Africa and its people alone and let them handle themselves regardless of what Europeans think of them?

        Bottom line: instead of always putting me and other black people who disagree on “trial” and demonize us, why not do something more thoughtful and ask us and converse with us? Telling me how I’m ‘inhuman’ only shows that you have little consideration and limited critical thinking, and I humbly suggest, not as a liberal or a black liberal, that you cut it out with these nonsensical accusations and think about what I’ve said here. I’m not coming at you furious, but as an adult, and I hope you’ll do the same with me. And no, I’m not charging white people with racism, but I am pointing out the racism that’s centered on white supremacy and black inferiority, and I suggest you not drink that poison by making such assumptions.

        1. First, BW, this is why it might not be worth conversing with you anymore. I grow tired of your relentless paranoia, your unceasing attempts to “prove” I’m a racist, your non-stop efforts to get at my state of mind, or tell me what I’m thinking, or what you think of me… In short, I grow tired of constant, irrelevant, nonsensical stupidity. You are capable of better than this avalanche of abysmal tripe. I don’t think you’re stupid, but every reply you post demonstrates a point I made a long time ago: “Stupidity is the luxury of the intelligent, but the prison of the stupid.” You need — right now — to prove that you’re using this half-wittery as a luxury,and that it’s not your prison. You need to post at least one intelligent post in the very near future. Let’s go over this latest dismal offering of yours. In your entire reply there were about three somewhat intelligent sentences. That’s pretty bad, and waste of all the effort it took to produce such sludge. You could have been out reading a book — by someone who’s not a nitwit — or making a sandcastle, or whistling at traffic, all of which would have been more productive than this slop.

          By the way, I’m in a really foul mood at the moment — for reasons unrelated to you — so I might be more blunt than I usually am. I fear there will be very little of the conciliatory in this reply.

          You Said:
          Okay, before I reply, whether you disagree or not, whether you like it or not, you’re trying to turn slavery into a positive, You’re basically turning one of humanity’s greatest atrocities into a blessing in disguise. One can see it and see how morally deprived it is, lacks any consideration of history and how it echos the sentiments of many white supremacists and white nationalists.
          My Response:
          Dude: this is a crap paragraph. Should I use a BIG font so you can understand it? NO I’M NOT “TRYING TO TURN SLAVERY INTO A POSITIVE.” Were you able to read that? If I thought that slavery was a positive, I’D SAY SO. It’s a MASSIVE NEGATIVE! I’ve ALWAYS SAID THAT!

          This is the stupidity I’m talking about. Let’s give you an example: There are a whole lot of things that can happen to you that are bad, ranging from the not-so-bad, like getting a “C” in Russian class, to the really bad, like losing a leg in a car accident. For each of those bad things, you are going to have a response. I’d hope that you’d do your level best to turn the negative event, into a positive effect on your life further down the road. It doesn’t change the fact that the INITIAL EVENT WAS BAD. BW: this is a “nuance” that a three-year old understands. If white and black people looked back at slavery in the past, and said, “Let’s never do that again,” and made the world better, that doesn’t change the fact that SLAVERY WAS VERY, VERY BAD! Nor does it change the fact that YOUR VERY ANCESTORS worked hard to bring everyone’s attention to the injustice that was slavery, and demanded that they make the world a better place. They did that — long before you were born — and YOU are the beneficiary of those efforts today. Your constant whining that it’s a racist country, when the opposite is true — dishonors the noble work of your ancestors and mine, and you ought to be deeply ashamed of yourself.

          Yes, I’m up on a soapbox, but as I said, I’m in a foul mood. And it’s not as though you haven’t had this coming for a very long time. You’re such a frickin’ daisy! People fought and died so that YOU could have a better world, and all you can do is whine and whine and whine over isolated incidents that say nothing at all about the larger state the country’s in. Frankly, it’s pathetic.

          Now cut out the nonsensical crap with these crashingly stupid assertions like that I’m trying to make slavery into a positive. It’s that kind of thing that makes you seem less like a tiresome bore, and more like a FRICKIN’ IDIOT. Don’t be a frickin’ idiot anymore. There’s only so much that I’m willing to bang my head into the brick wall of your brain before I grow tired of it. Well, you DID say that you weren’t willing to learn anything new from me, so maybe these moronic posts are just your way to prove that.
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          You Said:
          You say how wishing slavery out of existence would doom the lives of Africans. That’s based on another white supremacist idea that Africans and blacks are incapable of taking care of themselves. Second, it also negates one very important piece of history you neglected, the European colonization of Africa. It is written and recorded that the “scramble for Africa” by Europeans was done to exploit the natural resources, raw materials, and the cruel treatment of the natives in whatever land they colonized. It was this time that anti-black racism was being born as Europeans saw them as ‘inferior’. They also contributed to tribes turning against each other as European nations divided the land among themselves separating friendly ethnic groups while pitting enemies against each other.
          My Response:
          I stated the obvious. If black Africans had not kidnapped other black Africans and sold them to slavers (of all races, by the way), then there would not have been a large black population in America. A huge number of African slaves met their spouses here under slavery and had children. The black African captors of slaves were not all that concerned with keeping their prisoners’ families together, nor were the slavers who bought them. Again, stating only the obvious. The children of slaves who met here in America would not exist today. This is not debatable. Men and women had to meet back then in order to produce children.

          You and I can debate or discuss all we want the upsides and downsides of European colonization in Africa, it’s at best tangentially relevant to the discussion of slavery in America. As for the “cruel treatment of natives in whatever land they colonized,” you and I will largely agree on that. However, the comparison with how Africans were treated before European colonization is probably something you don’t want to do. Certainly the comparison with how Africans are treated after colonization has been dead and gone for more than half a century is not a good one.

          Don’t forget: the idea of the individual having real value in his own right originated in Western Civilization from Christianity. There is not a lot in the historical record about individual rights, freedom of speech and other basic American freedoms throughout African history. If you can find it for me, I’d be glad to acknowledge it, but I haven’t found it, and I’ve searched.

          The last sentences of this paragraph are throwaways. No one can force “tribes to turn against each other.” That’s just a search for scapegoats to excuse disgraceful behavior.

          Oh, and I stated another obvious: Africa is a wreck. Fully under the control of Africans for a very long time now, and it’s a wreck.
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          You Said:
          The imperialism only benefited in favor of Europeans as it helped made their nations richer and gave them more free reign of advancement. Basically, the European nations plundered the continent at the expense of the native people. This would take place after or in the last years of the Trans-Atlantic Slave Trade.
          My Response:
          Irrelevant to our actual discussion. Stop deflecting. If the Europeans “plundered” the continent, then there’d be nothing left. It just so happens that you and I agree about colonization, but it was a whole lot more complicated than you let on. There were, for example, extremely good examples of Western colonization, as in the American occupation of the Philippines. This was a net positive for that nation, and when the Americans left, they left the country a lot better off than when they arrived. When it all took place is irrelevant to our discussion.
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          You Said:
          I brought up the colonization of Africa to highlight an important detail that’s often neglected. People assume that the wars and famine you hear regularly in the Western media, the media you classify as liberal, have always been there prior to European imperialism and slavery. While there were wars fought in Africa, there were also wars in Europe and America, both predominantly white countries. Making hollowed statements that Africa is a large land of ruin and dysfunction and that white people saved their people is nothing short of racist and white supremacist rhetoric.
          My Response:
          See? Again, this is the kind of nitwittery that’s making me think you’re just not an adequate interlocutor. Africa is, though not entirely, a “land of ruin and dysfunction” — and political famine, racism, war, pestilence, rampant political violence, poverty, disease, primitivism, even slavery and pockets of cannibalism. Never have I ever suggested that white people saved African people by colonizing them. Not ever, not even once. So, put a lid on that crap. And please stop using the moronic term, “white supremacy.” Unless, of course, you can give anyone some comprehensible idea as to what it is.
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          You Said:
          Also, avoiding periods that occurred after slavery such as Jim Crow and the War on Drugs is also harmful. It would imply that black people not only have it better here in America, but it’s a paradise compared to Africa. It also implies that the entire continent is rife with war, disease and hunger even when the continent is one of Earth’s largest. It’s to ignore the diverse groups of tribes, ethnicities, cities, nations, economies, etc. A quick search online would show the Africa they DON’T SHOW you in our media, and you would be surprised, as well as I, of how beautiful many parts of it is.
          My Response:
          More annoying stupidity. I’ve never avoided Jim Crow, though we haven’t discussed “the War on Drugs” — not relevant. In fact, I’ve mentioned the Democrat-invented Jim Crow laws numerous times in our very interactions! Sometimes, BW, you just say things. Whenever you do that, it’s insufferably stupid. Stop it. And, of course, I never said that America is paradise compared to Africa… though it is. Another thought exercise: If you were to go to Africa and offer each person there free passage to America, and citizenship, how many of them would take you up on it? Again, you and I both know the answer. You can figure lots of things out just by thinking them through more thoroughly. The entire continent of Africa is not “rife with war, disease and hunger,” but much of it is, and it’s thanks to the efforts of Socialists, who ate the poison of Socialism — as you’re doing now — and with that caused the impoverishment and deaths of millions upon millions of Africans.

          I’m never surprised at the beauty of Africa — I’ve been studying the continent for years — but I’m under no illusions as to the quality of life of the vast majority of Africans. And I never use American media to influence what I think of Africa.
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          You Said:
          Am I accusing you of being a racist or white supremacist? No. At least not this time. But making such a conclusion is indeed racist and white supremacist. You may object and call it fact and consider it not racist, but it is NOT based on fact, nor is it based on research beyond that of white nationalist teachings, limited accurate history of Africa and an influence of the Western media.
          My Response:
          Lol! You’re not accusing me of being racist or white supremacist? That’s a first! How many times did you and your friends do those very obscene things on your blog?!? It’s a real blot on your honor, and you still owe me and my friends a heartfeal, sincere apology. You ought to be ashamed of yourself for that.

          First of all, there’s no such thing as white supremacy. Second of all, the conclusions I have drawn, if they’re the truth, are by definition not “racist.” The truth is never racist. That’s what’s so frustrating about you, BW… you always seem to want so desperately to prove that I’m a racist, or a “white supremacist,” when you can’t provide any credible arguments that my thinking is wrong!

          If I’m a racist, then it ought to be child’s play to prove my thinking wrong. Your problem is that I’ve thought through my ideas! You should try that. If you were to do that, you’d find yourself agreeing with me all of a sudden. Your thoughts are nothing more that a bunch of superficial feelings and reactions translated into conclusions. My thoughts are based on facts, on numerous thought exercises that I’ve done over the years, and on reasoning and thinking things through, and years of study, as well as constantly challenging my own thoughts and conclusions.
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          You Said:
          You also neglected how if my ancestors were not brought here, we would still maintain our names, cultures, histories, languages and overall ways of life, things some would say are more important than wealth, because it tells us who we are.
          My Response:
          I didn’t neglect it; it wasn’t relevant. I got down to basics. If your ancestors hadn’t been brought here, then you might not even exist. On the slim chance that you existed, there’s a 99.9999% chance that you’d be one whole heckuva lot worse off there than here. Dude: I’m sorry, if you’re going to debate that with me, then you’re simply proving my growing notion that you’re not a worthy interlocutor.

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          You Said:
          It’s impossible to know how Africa would be today without European colonization and slavery. Again, to assume that it’s always been, as your president says, a sh*thole, is not based on information. Many great things came from nations and empires from the continent that are still being done today, but are ignored for the Western narrative in favor of the single story of war, disease, famine and the white saviors to save them all. All it takes is a quick google search for a quick glimpse, and a lot of research to get a better and broader idea.

          We can guess a lot of things would be true today without European invasion and exploitation. But they are only guesses based on the available info we have.
          My Response:
          Yep. It’s impossible to know what Africa would be like without European colonization and slavery. However, since black Africans were a big participant in the slave trade, then we can know that they were just as corrupt as the slavers. Dude: the slavers didn’t run around with nets trying to capture slaves, while their brave brothers defended them. The slavers went to open-air markets where, relaxed and comfortably in the shade, they bought the slaves from other black Africans. Surely you’re aware of this. Slavery is the shame of those white Europeans and Americans of that time AS WELL AS of the black Africans who sold their fellow Africans to the slavers. Slavery was a money-making industry IN AFRICA too. Duh! You DID know that, right? Here’s an important note, though: Slavery is the shame of the Europeans, Americans and Africans OF THAT TIME. Not of this time. That’s not to say that Americans and Europeans of THIS time lack for shameful things, it’s just that slavery isn’t one of them. Why? Simple ‘CAUSE THEY DON’T DO IT!

          You say that “Many great things came from nations and empires from the continent that are still being done today, but are ignored for the Western narrative in favor of the single story of war, disease, famine and the white saviors to save them all” Okay, but you know what? The rest of the (civilized) world would prefer to see the basic trappings of real civilization in Africa. You talk of these great things from Africa, but all the really great things, the things that benefit all people, and all peoples, came from Western Civilization. Democracy, individual rights, medicine, surgery, life-improving, -prolonging, -enriching things that all came from… the West.

          The current sorry state of Africa is the current shame of… Africans. There is, by the way, no narrative anywhere in America of “white saviors,” so you can get rid of that codswallop too. It strikes me all the time with you: The classic trope of the Left and of the RGI is accusing others of what they constantly do. You trot out silly, baseless talking point after silly, baseless talking point, after silly, baseless talking point of the RGI and the Left… .then accuse me of using… “talking points.” The other classic trope of the Left and of the RGI: the lack of sufficient self-awareness necessary to see that.

          You say that “It’s impossible to know how Africa would be today without European colonization and slavery.” Yep. But, if we put in the phrase — “assuming all other knowns remain as we know them” — we can make useful thought exercises. So I do.
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          You Said:
          But I shouldn’t have to teach it to you, because it’s not my job or any other black person’s job, especially as you have a habit of trying to correct us. We don’t have the time to teach the unteachable, if you’re unwilling to be taught that doesn’t appeal to your thinking, and it’s not up to us to do what you are more than capable of doing yourself.
          My Response:
          I have a habit of trying to correct you, because you have a habit of being wrong. I correct others only if they need correcting. However, you got something wrong: if you’re going to accuse entire peoples of being racists, then, yes, you do have an obligation to teach them. And you have an obligation not to say such transparently stupid things. And, if you’re going to teach people about being better people, then you have an obligation to be better yourself. And you have an obligation to be better-educated about the topic on which you propose to teach people.
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          You Said:
          If there are black people who agree with you, fine. But I don’t have to, because we don’t all think alike and we shouldn’t. Implying any way that my thinking is dangerous also implies that all of us should think alike, especially if it pleases you or agrees with the white racist assumption (that you would likely disagree with having) that nods towards black inferiority which is something people on the right tend to do. They always point to cities like Detroit or nations like Haiti to show that blacks and Africans are incapable of governing themselves without knowing full well of the circumstances or causes that have driven these and other places into the states their in all in the most likely attempt to prove that whites are superior to blacks. Nothing else could explain it.
          My Response:
          Black people’s agreement with me does, though, add credibility — especially if they do or say something particularly politically incorrect. Dude: you’re the epitome of Ronald Reagan’s pithy phrase: “It’s not that the Left doesn’t know things, it’s all the things they know that are wrong.” That’s you in a nice, neat nutshell.

          You are so correct that black people shouldn’t all think the same way. Now, pray tell, how on earth can it be legitimate for them to vote the same way?!? Can you please explain that to me? Especially since voting is an especially important way to indicate… WHAT YOU’RE THINKING!

          No one points to Detroit or Haiti to conclude that black people can’t govern themselves. The tragedy is that everyone assumes that black people can govern themselves… they’re simply choosing not to! That’s the real tragedy! They give their support — and therefore power — to leftists who then organize and set up cities like Detroit and Baltimore. Death traps for black Americans… often under the control of… other black Americans.

          I point to Detroit and Baltimore and more, because they’ve been owned, lock, stock and barrel, by the Left for decades now, and all they’ve done is become killing fields for black Americans! The tragedy is that black people continue over and over and over and over and over and over and over again… to vote for their own abusers, for thehir own killers. How many times have I suggested that black Americans try something simple: vote about half the time for Republicans. At least make the Left frickin’ earn black votes!!! They haven’t had to try for the black vote for decades now. All they do is get some half-witted, senile idiot like Joe Biden to say “puttin’ y’all back in chains!” with the media trumpeting it, and off we go to the polls to vote for other half-witted Democrats and leftists.
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          You Said:
          Yes, African Americans can go back to Africa if we want to, some of us actually, but it’s not that simple, and we won’t do it as many white people angrily told us. That would require an actual conversation without any objections on your part. Disagreeing is fine, but objecting and talking back isn’t.
          My Response:
          Objecting and talking back aren’t fine? You just invalidated nearly everything you’ve ever said to me! There is no such thing as a real discussion without objections. That’s not a conversation, that’s a lecture. Or, as you insist is so wrong: that’s lecturing and expecting people just to shut up and swallow it without question.
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          You Said:
          Yes, the African Americans of today, myself included, wouldn’t exist today, but the destruction, enslavement and exploitation wouldn’t have happened either which would have lasting residual effects that would be just as, if not more, devastating.
          My Response:
          Dude: if something happened to your grandfather, the only residual effects are on… your grandfather…. and on his immediate family. It’s whining, and it’s disgraceful, to pretend that you share the suffering of those who suffered long ago. It’s particularly disgraceful to pretend that you share the suffering of those who suffered… more than six generations ago. The past is the past, and contra my thought exercise we can’t wish it away, so we all have an absolute obligation to make the very best world we can… today. The efforts of racists like you to sow strife between the races are particularly despicable.

          My grandfather actually was kidnapped, and disappeared. Never to be seen again, while my grandmother was expecting my mother. It was horrible for him, for my grandmother, for the rest of his immediate family… but for me, for my brothers and sisters, it’s an interesting, colorful story for our children. That’s the only “residual effect.” The real truth: the only “residual effects” on you from slavery are those that you choose to have. It’s a cold, cruel truth, but the truth nonetheless.
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          You Said:
          But one thing you never thought of is that Europeans and white Americans shouldn’t have used slavery and colonization and instead treated us like equals that would helped both sides. Why not cooperated with the African people in a way it benefits both people? Why not ask Africans to help them build their nations? Why not simply leave Africa and its people alone and let them handle themselves regardless of what Europeans think of them?
          My Response:
          Again, Dude, slavery DIDN’T HAPPEN TO YOU. I struck out the mind-reading parts of your silly paragraph. And, per your own words, there is not “an African people,” just bunches of diverse, different peoples. As for the parts of your paragraph that I left, admirable sentiments… I agree completely. Why not cooperate with Africans in a way that benefits both peoples? Why not indeed? I can’t think of any good reason.
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          You Said:
          Bottom line: instead of always putting me and other black people who disagree on “trial” and demonize us, why not do something more thoughtful and ask us and converse with us? Telling me how I’m ‘inhuman’ only shows that you have little consideration and limited critical thinking, and I humbly suggest, not as a liberal or a black liberal, that you cut it out with these nonsensical accusations and think about what I’ve said here. I’m not coming at you furious, but as an adult, and I hope you’ll do the same with me. And no, I’m not charging white people with racism, but I am pointing out the racism that’s centered on white supremacy and black inferiority, and I suggest you not drink that poison by making such assumptions.
          My Response:
          Dude: stop whining! No one’s on trial. No one demonizes you. I tell you when you’re wrong and when you’re right, that’s it. If anyone’s in the game of demonization, it’s you and your cohort. In YOUR VERY WORDS, dozens and dozens of times you’ve called me and my friends and colleagues racists, white supremacists, liars ignorant, etc., etc., etc., ad infinitum, ad nauseum. Typical leftist! Call me and my friends a bunch of names, demonize us, then whine about me name-calling! What a frickin’ drama queen you are!

          In YOUR OWN WORDS, you said you’d “wish away slavery” which would then inevitably have winked out of existence millions of people, and plunged millions of others into suffering, poverty, disease, war and death… Sorry: “inhuman’s” an okay word for that.

          I struck out the part where you pretend that you know with whom I’ve conversed during my life. And, as I’ve pretty much proven to you, there’s no real “racism that’s centered on white supremacy and black inferiority.” Not that anyone takes seriously anyway. In other words: it’s not a big problem anymore. And, anytime it raises its tiny head, the entire country unites to crush it. You need to focus on real problems.
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          Best,

          — x

          1. Also, . you said that you’re in charge of your own emotions. If that’s the case, you have no excuse to throw your anger at me if I’m not the cause of it. This and the other things you’ve said is why I’m really leaving whether you think so or not.

            Besides, it’s not like you can do anything besides bad mouth me on your blog.

            Good bye.

          2. I said I’m never offended. I never said I don’t have emotions.

            I’m still not offended. I haven’t been offended by anything for a very, very long time.

            Best,

            — x

  1. But like I told GF (Gentleman’s Foundry) I will no longer entertain you anymore.

    The fact is that you’re just putting me and black people on trial. You constantly want us to prove to that racism is still a big deal, but all evidence provided will only end up inadmissible in your mind. You also want us to prove to you that we’re not racist against white people. All in all, we constantly have to prove to you that we’re not delusional, stupid, lost or in so many words inferior to you or evil if we disagree with your conservatism.

    The thing is black people don’t have to prove anything to you, especially to those who already made up their minds about us. Still demanding us to prove ourselves regardless is a sign of insanity or that you’re just toying with us out of amusement. You can accuse me of trying to read your mind all you want, but I will not waste precious time entertaining you by arguing with you.

    You can call me a racist, an accomplice to the violence in black communities, all kinds of names to subtly make yourself feel superior, but I will not be done over backwards to amuse you any longer. That would make me crazy as well.

    I’m no longer going to jump through your hoops. I’m no longer your “pet”.

    1. You Said:
      But like I told GF (Gentleman’s Foundry) I will no longer entertain you anymore.
      My Response
      BrothaChicken clucks again!
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      You Said:
      The fact is that you’re just putting me and black people on trial. You constantly want us to prove to that racism is still a big deal, but all evidence provided will only end up inadmissible in your mind. You also want us to prove to you that we’re not racist against white people. All in all, we constantly have to prove to you that we’re not delusional, stupid, lost or in so many words inferior to you or evil if we disagree with your conservatism.
      My Response
      Yep. If you’re accusing me and others of something, you have to prove it. Dude: provide some credible evidence! If I were to quote some stormfront moron, would you say, “Well, that’s convincing!” No, you wouldn’t. That’s all you’ve ever done is provide stormfront-type slop. If I don’t accept it, then you go all daisy on me. Sorry, dude, you’ve never presented anything resembling “evidence” to me or others. And now, of course, you’re going away. That’s just because you’re BrothaChicken!

      And, I never put black people on trial, you silly doofus, I put racists on trial. Since you’re a racist, then yes, you deserve to be on trial. … I’ve never asked you to prove that black Americans aren’t racist against white people. Black people are, in significant numbers, racist against white people. I’d never ask you to prove what’s not true.

      But, yes, as a racist you are on trial. You’re just too ignorant to prove your own innocence. So, since you’re not going to mount a credible defense, then the only possible conclusion is that you’re: guilty.

      BW: You’re not stupid, evil or inferior. You are lost and delusional. Stop trying to conflate what I’ve shown you to be with what I’ve never said you were. Your problem is that you do agree with most of what Conservatism says — at least you say you do — but you’re still a leftist. That’s the delusional part.
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      You Said:
      The thing is black people don’t have to prove anything to you, especially to those who already made up their minds about us. Still demanding us to prove ourselves regardless is a sign of insanity or that you’re just toying with us out of amusement. You can accuse me of trying to read your mind all you want, but I will not waste precious time entertaining you by arguing with you.
      My Response
      Wrong again. Black people, you included, are accusing white people of racism, so, yes, black people have to prove it. No choice.

      • By your very own logic, I can accuse you of being a child molester, and I don’t have to prove it!
      • By your logic, you just justified the lynching of every black man that white people ever did. You just made all that okay.
      • By your logic, you just justified all the times that anyone is falsely accused of anything. And, after all, that’s the source of all injustice, isn’t it? Someone unjustly persecuting someone else under false pretenses?
      • By your own logic, you just justified all the false accusations against the Jews that were used as an excuse to do the Holocaust.
      • By your own logic, you just — indirectly at least — justified all injustice. Good job, BrothaChicken.

      Yes, you do have to prove your accusations. Beyond a shadow of a doubt. That’s the American way, the way you so constantly reject. However, since you’ve rejected those simple rules, then I can too. BW: you’re a child molester, and by your very own logic… I don’t have to prove it to you. All I have to do is make the accusation. Those rules have been in effect before. People convicted merely by denunciation? Sure thing! In Nazi Germany, in Soviet Russia, in Maoist China, in North Korea, in Cuba. Those are your friends, the Nazis, the Communists, the Socialists, the thugs, dictators, tyrants… those are the ones who convict and kill people on the power of accusation alone. These are the people who are worse than the slavers, and yes, they’re your friends and the people whose way of doing things you like. Unless, that is, you might be willing to do the actual necessary work of being a valuable, important citizen of a real country, a civilized country.
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      You Said:
      You can call me a racist, an accomplice to the violence in black communities, all kinds of names to subtly make yourself feel superior, but I will not be done over backwards to amuse you any longer. That would make me crazy as well.
      My Response
      I didn’t call you a racist until you called you a racist. I admit, though, that I’d have got around to it eventually. You are a racist, after all. I struck out the ridiculous parts where you pretend that you can know what I’m thinking or feeling, or what amuses me.
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      You Said:
      I’m no longer going to jump through your hoops. I’m no longer your “pet”.
      My Response
      Good riddance. At best you’re a bore, at worst, you’re so much worse… just another unthinking, incurious, ignorant drone, with nothing but a brick wall for a brain. If ignorance is bliss, then you’re truly a happy dude, BrothaChicken!
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      Best,

      — x

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