Challenge to Brothawolf…


Here’s a little thought exercise. But, first some…

Background:

A while back in some of my interactions with Brothawolf (BW) and other members of the Race Grievance Industry (RGI), I made a controversial statement. I said that a black friend of mine had declared to me the following: “Slavery was the worst thing to happen to the slaves themselves, but the best thing in the world for their descendant, today’s black Americans.”

His point: If today’s black Americans’ ancestors had not been hauled here to America in chains, either they themselves wouldn’t even exist, or… they’d be living somewhere in Africa and not in this the greatest, freest, most generous, biggest-spirited country in the history of the world.

This rankled with BW and, in high dudgeon, he told me of the evil of what I’d said. BW told me that I was trying to turn slavery into a good thing, that I was trying to pretend that white slavers had done a fine thing by purchasing black Africans from their black African captors, and bringing them to America. That I was trying to justify slavery itself.

Nope. Not at all.

And… it was a black man who’d told me that past slavery was a boon for today’s black Americans. Needless to say, that got me to thinking. Everything gets me to thinking!

What if…

The Thought Exercise:

What if you were to approach a man or a woman somewhere in Afghanistan, and say to him or her: (1) Where would you wish to live if that wish were to come true?

After the inevitable response: America! comes a follow-up question: “What if the price were that your great-great-great-great-great-great grandfather had to be kidnapped from his home and hauled to America to live, perhaps, the rest of his life in bondage — so that you could live in present-day America?

What do you think the Afghan’s answer would be?

Next we take that same question, and its follow-up, to Africa and go around polling Africans. What do you think their answer would be to those questions?

— xPraetorius

11 thoughts on “Challenge to Brothawolf…

  1. Before I say anything, let me correct you on this paragraph:

    His point: If today’s black Americans’ ancestors had not been hauled here to America in chains, either they themselves wouldn’t even exist, or… they’d be living somewhere in Africa and not in this the greatest, freest, most generous, biggest-spirited country in the history of the world.

    MY point was and still is that we weren’t hauled here, as you put it. We were kidnapped, forced and ripped away from Africa. Also, I said that it was one of the greatest sins against humanity for whatever reason. Lastly, you made a slight error, if it was an error. You make it sound like America was all those things you’ve described back then. But Africans were not free when they were brought here against their will and while they were here, they were not treated generously.

    You can attempt to find any positive things about a human tragedy by other humans, and you can try to bring up how blacks owned slaves which I, myself, discovered and elaborated. But doing so, and you believe all groups of people suffered hardships, which they have, then you must find and explain positives about whites and Jewish people who were also slaves at one time.

    Then you said:

    This rankled with BW and, in high dudgeon, he told me of the evil of what I’d said. BW told me that I was trying to turn slavery into a good thing, that I was trying to pretend that white slavers had done a fine thing by purchasing black Africans from their black African captors, and bringing them to America. That I was trying to justify slavery itself.

    Nope. Not at all.

    And… it was a black man who’d told me that past slavery was a boon for today’s black Americans. Needless to say, that got me to thinking. Everything gets me to thinking!

    Trying to find positives in a human horror and listening to a black man who tried to brighten it up IS essentially trying to justify it. Agreeing with a white nationalist IS trying to justify it.

    Okay, by your logic, there must be positive things that came from Jewish enslavement and the Holocaust, the genocide of Native Americans, the British imperialism of India, etc.

    Lastly,

    What if you were to approach a man or a woman somewhere in Afghanistan, and say to him or her: (1) Where would you wish to live if that wish were to come true?

    After the inevitable response: America! comes a follow-up question: “What if the price were that your great-great-great-great-great-great grandfather had to be kidnapped from his home and hauled to America to live, perhaps, the rest of his life in bondage — so that you could live in present-day America?

    What do you think the Afghan’s answer would be?

    Next we take that same question, and its follow-up, to Africa and go around polling Africans. What do you think their answer would be to those questions?

    I noticed you bring up that topic when it concerns people of color who are majorities from other nations. You assume you know what that person thinks in regards to this topic, and again, you try to find positives in what would be viewed as a crime today. You did use the word “kidnapped” after all.

    You never seem to pose that question to people from struggling nations like Bosnia or Herzegovina.

    Lastly, your last question is the same, the assumption that you know how people of color think in regards to a serious topic. You didn’t take into account that Africa is a diverse continent with many nations and ethnicities. So, your assumption that they will respond the way you want to is an erroneous one if not self-serving and hopeful.

    You assume I don’t love this country for what my ancestors have been through to build this nation. You assume that me talking about white racism means I’m anti-white. Even after I told you a million times that neither is the case, you won’t accept it. And when I get upset and express it, you refuse to understand why and avoid any accountability. You’ve declared that blacks on the left are the most racist. All of this is based on assumption, false hoods and listening to poisonous sources, some of whom are blacks themselves. To you, since a black person said what Buchanan said about slavery, it must be true. To be blunt, that’s unintelligent and racist to use one black man’s word to satisfy your right wing views and shows hints that it’s less about logic and more about emotion, some kind of guilt particularly.

    Am I guilty of the same thing when it comes to white people who speak up against racism? Yes. But before you jump for joy in the moment of think you’re right, STOP. Because I don’t use white people to win arguments. When white people speak up and make points against racism from whites, I don’t use them to win arguments or debates. I use them to help prove that, despite your opinion, racism is STILL a big deal in this country for black people, and seeing white people realize this is a breath of fresh air, because it shows they’ve listened to us.. We don’t use this against white people. We use it against white racism in ALL forms. Why? It’s not to hate, but to bring a positive change. How is that wrong in any way?

    Regardless of what you think, not all of us hate white people. Most of us don’t and some of them are liberals. You’ve made a blanketed statement about black liberals without dropping your guard and do research, read what they have to say and listen to them. Are there some who DO hate whites. Yes, BUT they’re a minority among us. And if they do hate white people, you need to find out why instead of basing your conclusions on personal assumptions, listening to people, especially blacks, who agree with you and conclude that one or a few represent an entire group.

    I know what’s coming after this. You’ll say I’m wrong in almost every statement. Call what I’ve said stupid. Repeat what you’ve already said at one time or another. Double down with your condescension and points. Deny everything. And may say that you like me or another. All it shows me that you’re not really serious about this or any topic concerning racism, especially since it’s obvious that your mind is made up.

    You’ll probably demand me to show proof of racism, but let’s stop acting that you will be open minded enough to not reject it in an instant for whatever reason. I don’t have to prove it to you, because it’s out there. So, why not look for the proof you scream about so much yourself? It does exist. It’s written, recorded and documented. A google search will confirm just that. Why not do it yourself and stop asking people to do the work for you only to shoot them down. That’s not intelligent, nor civil minded. If anything, it’s childish and pathetic, and assuming that you’re a adult, you should know better. It just shows that you see me as a servant or pet for your amusement. You can disagree, but your actions have spoken much louder than your words. They always have.

    But let me guess, they’re all from leftist sources, according to you. So, from what exact source or sources in particular would it have to quality for you to consider what it has to say? I’ll wait.

    You can’t say that you’re civil and yearn for open conversations if you call other people’s differing points stupid or hogwash or assume automatically that what they give you is from the side of the political spectrum that you obviously detest with a passion for strangely no personal reason. That shows you have NO interest for a conversation, and are more into looking for an argument no one asked for. You can’t say one thing and do another, and despite your assumption that those on the supposed left are of lower intelligence, some of them are not as dumb as you think they are, and I’m not dumb not to see the obvious.

    And repeating yourself will not make it any more true. You can repeat it until infinity. It will make no difference.

    But your online conduct is another topic.

    I know what’s coming. I know how you will respond regardless of me pointing them out. You’ll still respond in the same way, won’t you? You refuse to understand that by doing so proves me right about you and how you think. Essentially, I’m winning the argument you’ve started five years ago. I probably already won. But I’m not about arguments if they’re unnecessary or uncalled for. That’s what you’re about seems. But that’s you.

    So, go ahead and trash my responses as usual. I await your wrath.

    1. Bravo, BW! Wonderful post!

      You do have one very important thing wrong in your truly excellent reply: I’m not going to tell you all that you said was wrong.

      Much of what you said is exactly right. Right on the nose.

      And much of what you said is, indeed, wrong.

      I’ll pick through it all and let you know which is which.

      In the meantime, BW, please allow me to congratulate you on an outstanding post!

      Thank you for not forcing me to edit out silly cuss words too!

      More to come, by way of a more comprehensive reply…

      Best,

      — x

      1. Don’t patronize me. Honestly, I could care less about your empty praise, because I know what’s to come. I’m not naive.

        As usual, no matter what I say, it’s always wrong, because simply I don’t agree with you and your views. You already made up your mind about me. I’m a racist, a black supremacist, anti-white, a liberal. And you did this regardless of me trying to explain myself to no avail. You’re pretty much saying that I’m either a liar, delusional or just plain stupid, and you’re not about having a conversation or argument as you are about tearing me down, preaching to me and expect me to accept it without question.

        Don’t tell me in wrong in that, because you show it in your responses and blog posts about me. You don’t have to say it outright. It shows as plain as day.

        This isn’t about left versus right. This is about me, you and the truth.

        1. You Said:
          Don’t patronize me. Honestly, I could care less about your empty praise, because I know what’s to come. I’m not naive.
          My Response:
          Dude: You finally write a post that’s not full of half-witted flapdoodle and you don’t let me pat you on the back? That’s just wrong! (Better?)
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          You Said:
          As usual, no matter what I say, it’s always wrong, because simply I don’t agree with you and your views. You already made up your mind about me. I’m a racist, a black supremacist, anti-white, a liberal. And you did this regardless of me trying to explain myself to no avail. You’re pretty much saying that I’m either a liar, delusional or just plain stupid, and you’re not about having a conversation or argument as you are about tearing me down, preaching to me and expect me to accept it without question.
          My Response:
          Uhhhh… you did read some of the post to which you’re referring, didn’t you? In that post I said that there was much that was right in what you wrote. If I expected you to accept anything without question, why on earth would I try the various things I’ve tried with you? Why on earth wouldn’t I simply ignore you? If I’m trying to get you to accept things without question, I’m not getting very far with that, now am I? 🙂 No, I have no desire that you accept what I say without question… I want you to stop accepting things without question, as you do the things you believe. How do I know that you accepted what you believe without questioning it? Easy: a simple statement that I made many, many times: If I were so wrong, you’d have no problem finding hundreds and hundreds and thousands of ways to prove me wrong. Instead, though, 95% of what you write attacks not what I say, but who I am. If I had the ammo — which I do — to defeat someone who disagrees with me, I’d… use it. I wouldn’t have to resort to pretending that I can read someone’s mind, that I can tell when he’s lying, that he’s crazy, and so forth. I wouldn’t have to.
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          You Said:
          Don’t tell me in wrong in that, because you show it in your responses and blog posts about me. You don’t have to say it outright. It shows as plain as day.
          My Response:
          You’re wrong in that. You are a racist. You admitted it. You may or may not be a Black Supremacist… the Black Lives Matter movement is a Black Supremacist movement. You yourself are a Black Supremacist only to the extent that you’re sympathetic to the goals of the BLM. You need to answer that one to yourself, not to me. You’re a liberal. You admitted as much when I went down the line of political positions you hold, and got each and every one right. You’re actually to the Left of a liberal. I didn’t “make up my mind” about all that — you admitted it all to me. I’ve never called you a liar. You used the word “delusional,” I never used it to describe you. I’d use: “misguided.” And I’ve said many times that you’re not stupid. So, you’re wrong about most of that, and the written record proves it conclusively. Therefore your assertion that I’m “not about having a conversation or argument as [I am] about tearing [you] down, preaching to [you] and expect [you] to accept it without question“… is… probably wrong too. Sorry.
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          You Said:
          This isn’t about left versus right. This is about me, you and the truth.
          My Response:
          Nope. It’s about Left vs. Right. Always has been. Okay, okay, fine… it’s also about the truth.

          However, it’s not about you and me. It’s much bigger than that. 🙂
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          Best,

          — x

          1. “I want you to stop accepting things without question, as you do the things you believe. How do I know that you accepted what you believe without questioning it? Easy: a simple statement that I made many, many times: If I were so wrong, you’d have no problem finding hundreds and hundreds and thousands of ways to prove me wrong. Instead, though, 95% of what you write attacks not what I say, but who I am. If I had the ammo — which I do — to defeat someone who disagrees with me, I’d… use it. I wouldn’t have to resort to pretending that I can read someone’s mind, that I can tell when he’s lying, that he’s crazy, and so forth. I wouldn’t have to.”

            Again, you assume you know what I’m about without actually comprehending what I’m saying. Second, why should I work hard to prove you wrong when we both know what’s going to happen? You ask for proof. It’s given to you. You reject it. So, what’s the point?

            All it shows is that you’re arguing in bad – horrible faith. You could google the proof yourself, go to the library, anything. But you’ve decided not to, because you’ve decided that there is no proof that you would accept, and yet, demanding for any kind of said proof shows that you’re not serious in the least. A true intellectual would go out and search for the proof himself to challenge his own views, not sit on his butt and order people to find it for him so he can shoot it down and call it dumb. Whether you like it not, that’s immature, and not holding yourself accountable and pretending to care is a contradiction to basic conservative values.

            “You’re wrong in that. You are a racist. You admitted it. You may or may not be a Black Supremacist… the Black Lives Matter movement is a Black Supremacist movement. You yourself are a Black Supremacist only to the extent that you’re sympathetic to the goals of the BLM. You need to answer that one to yourself, not to me. You’re a liberal. You admitted as much when I went down the line of political positions you hold, and got each and every one right. You’re actually to the Left of a liberal. I didn’t “make up my mind” about all that — you admitted it all to me. I’ve never called you a liar. You used the word “delusional,” I never used it to describe you. I’d use: “misguided.” And I’ve said many times that you’re not stupid. So, you’re wrong about most of that, and the written record proves it conclusively. Therefore your assertion that I’m “not about having a conversation or argument as [I am] about tearing [you] down, preaching to [you] and expect [you] to accept it without question“… is… probably wrong too. Sorry.”

            Again, you made your assumptions on me and a certain group based on little or no evidence or total misinformation. You label me as a liberal with no conversation involved. You’ve made made the conclusion for yourself. So, yes, you made up your mind.

            I’m not misguided either. I know who I am, and I know what’s going on. I don’t need you to tell me different.

            You said you never called me a liar or stupid. I said that’s what you’re pretty much saying in that you don’t have to say it exactly, but it is highly implied in your reactions that you think I don’t know any better or lost. In a way, you’ve said it in as many words as possible without actually using those precise words. Though it’s futile, I thank you not to insult my intelligence as I’m not that naive.

            Basically, everything you accuse me of being, you’re silent when it comes to actual racists, racist statements, racist groups, etc. It’s not that don’t exist or that they’re insignificant in your opinion. It’s obvious that you purposely avoid the topic for personal means in favor of this unfounded claim of anti-white racism by blacks which you likely have heard from another conservative not grounded in reality.

            The difference here is that I don’t have to listen to liberals to know that racism is still major in this country. I’ve been a victim of it. People have been victims of it. I’ve read about it. I’ve done research. I’ve seen it.

            To this day, I’ve yet to hear any incident against a white person based on his or her skin color.

            I never said white people don’t have their share of problems, but racism isn’t one of them.

            But I can see that you’re already disinterested in my responses. And the next reply will cement my claim further.

            Lastly, you may be right. It is bigger than us. But this isn’t just about left and right. It hasn’t always been that way. And if you were truly about the truth, you would come off to others sounding the way you do. That’s just how it is, and you need to accept it if everyone else has while growing up.

          2. You said:
            [quoting me] “I want you to stop accepting things without question, as you do the things you believe. How do I know that you accepted what you believe without questioning it? Easy: a simple statement that I made many, many times: If I were so wrong, you’d have no problem finding hundreds and hundreds and thousands of ways to prove me wrong. Instead, though, 95% of what you write attacks not what I say, but who I am. If I had the ammo — which I do — to defeat someone who disagrees with me, I’d… use it. I wouldn’t have to resort to pretending that I can read someone’s mind, that I can tell when he’s lying, that he’s crazy, and so forth. I wouldn’t have to.” [endquote]

            BW’s response: Again, you assume you know what I’m about without actually comprehending what I’m saying. Second, why should I work hard to prove you wrong when we both know what’s going to happen? You ask for proof. It’s given to you. You reject it. So, what’s the point?
            My Response:
            I had to strike out the place where you pretended you know what I comprehend. You’ve called me and my friends “racists” so many times, that you you have no choice but to try to prove me wrong. You have a moral obligation to prove it… or else to stop slandering innocent people. Again, the point is that you’ve told me that I’m obviously, plainly wrong. Therefore, as I’ve said several times, You. Have. No. Choice. You. Have. A. Moral. Responsibility. And, again, according to your very words, it should be child’s play. Yo u should never have to resort to the more equivalent of Stormfront types for your “proof.” It should be all the heck over the place. You’re the one who made the accusations. Now you run from those you accuse when they push back? Do you also toss rocks at people’s houses, then run away? Are you the kind who tosses pumpkins at others’ mailboxes from moving cars,then runs away? Do you hit people with your car and drive away so you won’t get caught too? Do you always do things like that? And you accuse me of avoiding responsibilities!
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            You said:
            All it shows is that you’re arguing in bad – horrible faith. You could google the proof yourself, go to the library, anything. But you’ve decided not to, because you’ve decided that there is no proof that you would accept, and yet, demanding for any kind of said proof shows that you’re not serious in the least. A true intellectual would go out and search for the proof himself to challenge his own views, not sit on his butt and order people to find it for him so he can shoot it down and call it dumb. Whether you like it not, that’s immature, and not holding yourself accountable and pretending to care is a contradiction to basic conservative values.
            My Response:
            I did you a favor and struck out the parts where pretend to know what I’m thinking, what I’d accept as proof, and whether or not I’m a “true intellectual.” or some such tommyrot. There wasn’t much left to respond to. Another waste of effort in producing the paragraph.
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            You said:
            [quoting me] “You’re wrong in that. You are a racist. You admitted it. You may or may not be a Black Supremacist… the Black Lives Matter movement is a Black Supremacist movement. You yourself are a Black Supremacist only to the extent that you’re sympathetic to the goals of the BLM. You need to answer that one to yourself, not to me. You’re a liberal. You admitted as much when I went down the line of political positions you hold, and got each and every one right. You’re actually to the Left of a liberal. I didn’t “make up my mind” about all that — you admitted it all to me. I’ve never called you a liar. You used the word “delusional,” I never used it to describe you. I’d use: “misguided.” And I’ve said many times that you’re not stupid. So, you’re wrong about most of that, and the written record proves it conclusively. Therefore your assertion that I’m “not about having a conversation or argument as [I am] about tearing [you] down, preaching to [you] and expect [you] to accept it without question“… is… probably wrong too. Sorry.” [endquote]

            Again, you made your assumptions on me and a certain group based on little or no evidence or total misinformation. You label me as a liberal with no conversation involved. You’ve made made the conclusion for yourself. So, yes, you made up your mind.
            My Response:
            You’re the one choosing to avoid a substantive conversation, and settling for instead telling me how much you don’t like either me or how I express myself. Yep. I made up my mind. It’s what humans do. They come to conclusions. You’ve made up your mind too. Duh! And, yes, you’re misguided.
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            You said:
            I’m not misguided either. I know who I am, and I know what’s going on. I don’t need you to tell me different.
            My Response:
            Dude: if you’re misguided, then you obviously “need someone to tell you different,” ’cause you’re… misguided! Duh!

            And… you’re misguided.
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            You said:
            You said you never called me a liar or stupid. I said that’s what you’re pretty much saying in that you don’t have to say it exactly, but it is highly implied in your reactions that you think I don’t know any better or lost. In a way, you’ve said it in as many words as possible without actually using those precise words. Though it’s futile, I thank you not to insult my intelligence as I’m not that naive.
            My Response:
            You’re right… you’re not that naive. You’re a lot more naive.
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            You said:
            Basically, everything you accuse me of being, you’re silent when it comes to actual racists, racist statements, racist groups, etc. It’s not that don’t exist or that they’re insignificant in your opinion. It’s obvious that you purposely avoid the topic for personal means in favor of this unfounded claim of anti-white racism by blacks which you likely have heard from another conservative not grounded in reality.
            My Response:
            I had to strike out all the parts that are nothing more than irrelevant, and dumb, speculation, about what I’ve said or written.
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            You said:
            The difference here is that I don’t have to listen to liberals to know that racism is still major in this country. I’ve been a victim of it. People have been victims of it. I’ve read about it. I’ve done research. I’ve seen it.
            My Response:
            Then you ought to be able to come up with things other than “‘I;ve been a victim of it, etc.” I’m sorry if you’ve been a victim of racism. I know of millions of white Americans, as well as Asian Americans, who are to this day actively discriminated against because of the color of their skin. Let’s see, let’s see… what’s a good single word for “discrimination based on the color of one’s skin?” I know! I know! Let’s use: “racism!” And, dude, reading the equivalent of Stormfront-type web sites, does not constitute “research.”
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            You said:
            To this day, I’ve yet to hear any incident against a white person based on his or her skin color.

            I never said white people don’t have their share of problems, but racism isn’t one of them.
            My Response:
            I had to strike out the part where you pretend to know what I’ve written.

            The second part was just funny. You telling me all about> white people’s problems! Lol!
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            You said:
            But I can see that you’re already disinterested in my responses. And the next reply will cement my claim further.
            My Response:
            The word is “uninterested,” not “disinterested.” Use a dictionary, man!
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            You said:
            Lastly, you may be right. It is bigger than us. But this isn’t just about left and right. It hasn’t always been that way. And if you were truly about the truth, you would come off to others sounding the way you do. That’s just how it is, and you need to accept it if everyone else has while growing up.
            My Response:
            Somewhat right. Race relations haven’t always been about Left and Right, but now it. The home of racism in America is on the Left, and the home of substantive opposition to racism is on the Right. Simple as that.
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            Best,

            — x

        2. You Said:
          Before I say anything, let me correct you on this paragraph:

          [quoting me:]His point: If today’s black Americans’ ancestors had not been hauled here to America in chains, either they themselves wouldn’t even exist, or… they’d be living somewhere in Africa and not in this the greatest, freest, most generous, biggest-spirited country in the history of the world.[end quote]

          MY point was and still is that we weren’t hauled here, as you put it. We were kidnapped, forced and ripped away from Africa. Also, I said that it was one of the greatest sins against humanity for whatever reason. Lastly, you made a slight error, if it was an error. You make it sound like America was all those things you’ve described back then. But Africans were not free when they were brought here against their will and while they were here, they were not treated generously.

          My Response:
          This entire paragraph is correct. Except for a couple of things. Dude: you weren’t “hauled here.” You weren’t “kidnapped, forced and ripped away from Africa.” A whole bunch of other people, who lived here more than a century before you were born… were. It’s grotesque to pretend that you’ve been treated in America the same as were the ancient slaves, and you need to cut that out immediately! Sheesh! That’s disgraceful!

          That’s my entire point! That all happened more than a century and a half ago, and longer even than that! Your trying to steal victimhood from real victims, who are long dead, is more than a stretch, it’s a really bad thing. It would be as if some white dude were to try to say to you, “we fought to free the slaves!” Your correct response would be, “No you didn’t! That was someone else, someone who died a long, long time ago, and it’s very wrong for you to try to steal the credit and honor from the ones who actually earned it.”

          As for your description of what happened to the slaves (not to you), it is right on the nose, and I’ve never said anything different from it. Ever. Not even once. Yes, it is “one of the greatest sins against humanity.” I’ve never once, not ever, pretended differently.

          Your last sentence — “But Africans were not free when they were brought here against their will and while they were here, they were not treated generously.” — is perfectly correct, if understated, and I’ve never said anything different from that either.

          I think I know where your confusion lies. In an earlier post, I said that the system that white Europeans put in place was one that would eventually get rid of crimes like slavery, Jim Crow, segregation, prejudice, discrimination. Then I said that the system did all that initially only for white people. I even said that it was a system set up for white men. I don’t recall my exact words, but they’re in there. In other words, I did say that the system was a bunch of great things for white men, but that if you weren’t white, or a man, then you certainly didn’t share fully in the goodness of the system. In retrospect, that might be too much understatement too. Slaves suffered under the system, while women didn’t share fully in the greatness of the system. All that would change much later.

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          You Said:
          You can attempt to find any positive things about a human tragedy by other humans, and you can try to bring up how blacks owned slaves which I, myself, discovered and elaborated. But doing so, and you believe all groups of people suffered hardships, which they have, then you must find and explain positives about whites and Jewish people who were also slaves at one time.

          My Response:
          I’ve never pretended that there was anything positive in slavery. Ever. Not once. In fact, I even said that it didn’t bring any actual benefit to the people who were supposed to profit from it! I have said many times that slavery is an unambiguous evil. I then stated the obvious: The aftermath had much that was good in it. It was good that was possible only from the evil that had preceded it.

          To America’s vast, vast credit, she eventually got around to doing right by her black citizens. It was too late for the slaves, and even for their great, great grandchildren, but the limits and barriers and cruel laws were starting to decay and fall apart as soon as the echoes from the last shots of the Civil War faded out. See if you can guess which political tendency then spent literally the next century trying to keep black Americans “in their place.” Yep, the left-wing Democrat Party.

          The KKK was a paramilitary group — founded by the Democrat Party. Jim Crow laws — promulgated by the Democrat Party. Segregation — formulated and implemented by the Democrat Party. Nearly the entirety of resistance to Civil Rights legislation came from — the Democrat Party. The first President to propose Civil Rights legislation was Republican Dwight Eisenhower. Couldn’t get it past the majority in the House of Senate, composed of — the Democrat Party. And so on. The phenomenon continues. Do you complain about how Hollywood portrays black people (you do). Not a lot of Conservatives or Republicans in Hollywood. And so on…

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          You Said:
          You can attempt to find any positive things about a human tragedy by other humans, and you can try to bring up how blacks owned slaves which I, myself, discovered and elaborated. But doing so, and you believe all groups of people suffered hardships, which they have, then you must find and explain positives about whites and Jewish people who were also slaves at one time.

          My Response:
          As mentioned above, I’ve never tried to pretend that slavery was something positive, only that the post-slavery era had much that was good in it, and that America eventually made it right for her black citizens. I never mentioned anything about black people owning slaves.

          However, you bring up a good point. Slavery was an economic system — it was Socialism by another name — and it was not about race at all. In Africa, there were simply Africans who were willing to sell their countrymen to slavers. Black people were available, that’s all. If there were no black Africans available for purchase in Africa, there would have been no North American slave trade from Africa. Maybe it would have consisted of South American slaves or something. However, an essential reason that black Africans were enslaved in America was only because other black Africans were willing to sell their people to the slavers. Without that readily available supply of African slaves, made available by other Africans, there would have been no black African slaves in North America. This is a crime that Africans have never acknowledged. And, why? Simple: there’s still slavery in Africa. America was the first not only to get rid of slavery, but to declare it anathema.

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          You Said:
          Then you said:

          [quoting me] This rankled with BW and, in high dudgeon, he told me of the evil of what I’d said. BW told me that I was trying to turn slavery into a good thing, that I was trying to pretend that white slavers had done a fine thing by purchasing black Africans from their black African captors, and bringing them to America. That I was trying to justify slavery itself.

          [BW’s response to that:]Nope. Not at all.

          My Response:
          Dude: you just spent nearly the entire top part of this post accusing me of trying to justify slavery! Your very next paragraphs do the very same thing!

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          You Said:
          [quoting me again] And… it was a black man who’d told me that past slavery was a boon for today’s black Americans. Needless to say, that got me to thinking. Everything gets me to thinking![end quote]

          Trying to find positives in a human horror and listening to a black man who tried to brighten it up IS essentially trying to justify it. Agreeing with a white nationalist IS trying to justify it.

          Okay, by your logic, there must be positive things that came from Jewish enslavement and the Holocaust, the genocide of Native Americans, the British imperialism of India, etc.

          My Response:
          No one tried to “brighten up” slavery, what my friend did was state the obvious: the aftermath turned out pretty well. Post-slavery America is the very best place in the world to live. There’s really no debate about that… except with the RGI, who say that America is a hellhole for black people.

          And, no, “agreeing with a white nationalist” (who’s not a racist, by the way) is not trying to justify slavery. Get it straight: Patrick Buchanan does not “justify slavery!” He never has. Ever. Like me, he pointed out that post-slavery America is the best possible place in the world for black people to live. That remains a truth, no matter who says it. Pat Buchanan has never done anything but condemn slavery. All his public life. Dude: you say some of the most freakin’ ignorant things!

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          You Said:
          Okay, by your logic, there must be positive things that came from Jewish enslavement and the Holocaust, the genocide of Native Americans, the British imperialism of India, etc.

          My Response:
          It is always to be hoped that people would be able to emerge from something horrible, and be able to see and find grace, beauty, fulfillment, happiness in life. Of course! It’s not inevitable that people find or make the good, but when they do, it is truly a good thing. And when they do it is a triumph over evil itself! The RGI’s attempts to foment racial hatred are an attempt to destroy the vast good that America has done to try to atone for slavery. You should resist them at ever turn, and you — we! — should always show them the silliness and nonsensicalness of their race-hatred. That hatred was stupid and evil when directed at black people; it’s just as stupid and evil when directed at white people. You should join with me in condemning it every time it raises its head. ‘Course, you’d lose all your friends. That’s the thing with the Left… whenever someone dissents from them, that person is banished (sound familiar?), and they lose all their one-time “friends.” That doesn’t happen here on the Right; not much anyway. We’re a whole lot friendlier here on the Right. That’s one of the things I don’t like about Trump: he’s not friendly enough… a true Conservative is always friendly. Trump’s not a true Conservative.

          No, I don’t find anything positive in the Holocaust, but I sure hope that eventually something positive will come out of of it. History’s not over yet, nor is the story of the Holocaust. It won’t be over for a very long time.

          There was no genocide of Native Americans, but they were certainly maltreated, and America has been trying — although not all that successfully — to make it right. I pray that soon we will be able to find something positive in the aftermath of the mistreatment of Native Americans.

          And yes, there was very much that was positive in British imperialism. This, for example.

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          You Said:
          Lastly,
          [quoting me at length:] What if you were to approach a man or a woman somewhere in Afghanistan, and say to him or her: (1) Where would you wish to live if that wish were to come true?

          After the inevitable response: America! comes a follow-up question: “What if the price were that your great-great-great-great-great-great grandfather had to be kidnapped from his home and hauled to America to live, perhaps, the rest of his life in bondage — so that you could live in present-day America?

          What do you think the Afghan’s answer would be?

          Next we take that same question, and its follow-up, to Africa and go around polling Africans. What do you think their answer would be to those questions?

          [end quote]

          I noticed you bring up that topic when it concerns people of color who are majorities from other nations. You assume you know what that person thinks in regards to this topic, and again, you try to find positives in what would be viewed as a crime today. You did use the word “kidnapped” after all.

          You never seem to pose that question to people from struggling nations like Bosnia or Herzegovina.

          My Response:
          First, when you say “people of color,” you mean “white people,” right? Dude: you’re a graphic artist!!! You do know, don’t you, that darker means less color?

          If you’re trying to make the case that I talk a lot about non-white people, you’re right. That’s because you’re always trying to make the case that white people hate non-white people. My thought exercise involves non-white people, because I want you to feel this as if the question were also being posed to you. The exercise works for any country, about any other country.

          And again you accuse me of “trying to find positives” in the long ago kidnapping of black Africans. I’ve never done that. I merely pointed out the obvious positives in the aftermath. Yes, I used the word “kidnapped,” because slavery was, is, a crime against humanity.

          Now, to the point: Why don’t you answer my question: I posed it to an Afghan, and then I posed it to a bunch of Africans. I’m asking you to imagine how those people might answer that question. Goodness knows you’re not afraid to imagine what I’m thinking! Surely you should be able to imagine what other people of your own race might be thinking.

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          You Said:
          Lastly, your last question is the same, the assumption that you know how people of color think in regards to a serious topic. You didn’t take into account that Africa is a diverse continent with many nations and ethnicities. So, your assumption that they will respond the way you want to is an erroneous one if not self-serving and hopeful.

          My Response:
          Nope. I’m asking you to speculate on what people of less color, like yourself, might think when faced with the hypothetical I’ve formulated. Yes, Africa is a diverse continent. and I’m not assuming at all how people will respond; I want to know what you think. And, when faced with my hypothetical, how do you think people will respond? You did get one thing right, though: I am assuming that, faced with my hypothetical, I know how people — of any color — would respond. Most people, anyway.

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          You Said:
          You assume I don’t love this country for what my ancestors have been through to build this nation. You assume that me talking about white racism means I’m anti-white. Even after I told you a million times that neither is the case, you won’t accept it. And when I get upset and express it, you refuse to understand why and avoid any accountability. You’ve declared that blacks on the left are the most racist. All of this is based on assumption, false hoods and listening to poisonous sources, some of whom are blacks themselves. To you, since a black person said what Buchanan said about slavery, it must be true. To be blunt, that’s unintelligent and racist to use one black man’s word to satisfy your right wing views and shows hints that it’s less about logic and more about emotion, some kind of guilt particularly.

          My Response:
          Now, you’re back into your mind-readinng again, and pretending you know where I get my information. Let’s try to pull any nuggets out of this mess.
          • No, I don’t assume that because a black man said what Buchanan said that makes it right. It supports my case, though. Obviously.
          • I don’t assume that you don’t love this country… however, your assertion that it’s awash in white hostility toward black Americans makes me wonder why. Who could love a country that seems not to love you back? That seems to seethe with hostility toward you? If you say you love this country, you directly contradict so much of what you say about it. I understand your confusion: there’s so much good feeling toward black people in America today, that to see black people not prosper and not thrive must mean that there’s something else… something that’s not the fault of black people themselves (ourselves?) going on. So, the RGI and the Left have to invent chimerical, phantasmagorical codswallop like “systemic racism,” and “institutional racism”… all the things that I call the “ghost racisms” of America.

          The rest of the paragraph is silliness.

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          You Said:
          Am I guilty of the same thing when it comes to white people who speak up against racism? Yes. But before you jump for joy in the moment of think you’re right, STOP. Because I don’t use white people to win arguments. When white people speak up and make points against racism from whites, I don’t use them to win arguments or debates. I use them to help prove that, despite your opinion, racism is STILL a big deal in this country for black people, and seeing white people realize this is a breath of fresh air, because it shows they’ve listened to us.. We don’t use this against white people. We use it against white racism in ALL forms. Why? It’s not to hate, but to bring a positive change. How is that wrong in any way?

          My Response:
          Great paragraph! Nothing wrong in it at all.

          You don’t use those things for hatred (not “hate,” please — it’s “hatred”), but the RGI does, and the leaders of the black Left do. And, yes, they are racists, and yes, they are bad people. You’re a bad person only to the extent that you support them.

          Oh, by the way, why wouldn’t you use white people’s agreement with your point of view in an argument? I see no reason not. White people can express opinions. They get to be right or wrong too. I’d never suggest that you ignore a good piece of argumentation that supports your point-of-view, just because it came from a white person!

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          You Said:
          Regardless of what you think, not all of us hate white people. Most of us don’t and some of them are liberals. You’ve made a blanketed statement about black liberals without dropping your guard and do research, read what they have to say and listen to them. Are there some who DO hate whites. Yes, BUT they’re a minority among us. And if they do hate white people, you need to find out why instead of basing your conclusions on personal assumptions, listening to people, especially blacks, who agree with you and conclude that one or a few represent an entire group.

          My Response:
          I know. Not all of us hate white people. However, the black Left has a general antipathy toward white people that goes way
          over into hatred all the time. Dude: most things are on a continuum. The black Left’s feelings toward white people, if you
          were to take a poll, make a graph, do a Venn diagram — would show a significant portion of hatred toward white people. You and I both know it. To deny it is to bury over a stain on black Americans souls today. You are confronted with evil in the midst of your very own people. You have a choice: to continue to deny it, or to denounce it. Even if you’re right that there is a minority of black people who hate white people, that doesn’t change for a minute every other black person’s sacred responsibility to denounce that racist hatred. Look at it this way, what if I said that only a minority of white people hate black people because of their skin color? Would that let me off the hook for denouncing that racist hatred? You know the answer to that question. If something is wrong, it’s wrong. It’s not magically alright if a black person does it.

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          You Said:
          I know what’s coming after this. You’ll say I’m wrong in almost every statement. Call what I’ve said stupid. Repeat what you’ve already said at one time or another. Double down with your condescension and points. Deny everything. And may say that you like me or another. All it shows me that you’re not really serious about this or any topic concerning racism, especially since it’s obvious that your mind is made up.

          My Response:
          You’re wrong in many statements; you got a lot right in this post, though. I hope you recognize that I recognized that, and pointed it out. It was an outstanding post… one of your very best, if not your best.

          You say, “my mind is made up.” Hmmmm… I’m just trying to remember how many times you told me that regardless of what I said, I’d never convince you of what I was saying! It was probably a hundred or so. 🙂

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          You Said:
          You’ll probably demand me to show proof of racism, but let’s stop acting that you will be open minded enough to not reject it in an instant for whatever reason. I don’t have to prove it to you, because it’s out there. So, why not look for the proof you scream about so much yourself? It does exist. It’s written, recorded and documented. A google search will confirm just that. Why not do it yourself and stop asking people to do the work for you only to shoot them down. That’s not intelligent, nor civil minded. If anything, it’s childish and pathetic, and assuming that you’re a adult, you should know better. It just shows that you see me as a servant or pet for your amusement. You can disagree, but your actions have spoken much louder than your words. They always have.

          My Response:
          “You’ll probably demand me to show proof of racism”… Welllll… Yeah! Duh! You can’t say it’s out there, it’s everywhere, as you do, and then not provide compelling proof. Duh! Calling America “racist” is to indict America. Dude: YOU HAVE TO PROVE IT! 🙂 If I say you’re a murderer, or a rapist, I have to… prove it. You or I can’t just run around saying horrible things about people, or entire countries, and not… FREAKIN’ PROVE IT! DUH!!! 🙂

          Lol! That was kind of fun.

          As for your “proofs,” you keep it very high level. A “google search” easily uncovers millions upon millions of sources, articles, studies, books, videos, essays, and more that prove… my points too. What you need to produce is not a “google search,” but real evidence, backed up by numerous different sources, each of which is credible, and legitimate. Partisan sources are fine, if they’re credible. The rest of your paragraph is useless mind-reading. I struck out the part that was mind reading, so that you an avoid such silliness in the future.

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          You Said:
          But let me guess, they’re all from leftist sources, according to you. So, from what exact source or sources in particular would it have to quality for you to consider what it has to say? I’ll wait.

          My Response:
          Legitimate, corroboratable, even-handed, dispassionate, not hiding inconvenient facts. You know, good sources! That second characteristic is important. If you point me to a source who says something, then I need to be able to corroborate what that source has said elsewhere, from a source that’s able to be dispassionate about the topic. There is a problem with left-wing sources. There are good ones, but generally leftists aren’t able to be dispassionate about a topic, and they nearly always aggressively hide inconvenient facts… or silence them and exclude the possibility of someone’s expressing them at all. Sound familiar? It’s like banning someone from a blog. Such a transparently… leftist move!

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          You Said:
          You can’t say that you’re civil and yearn for open conversations if you call other people’s differing points stupid or hogwash or assume automatically that what they give you is from the side of the political spectrum that you obviously detest with a passion for strangely no personal reason. That shows you have NO interest for a conversation, and are more into looking for an argument no one asked for. You can’t say one thing and do another, and despite your assumption that those on the supposed left are of lower intelligence, some of them are not as dumb as you think they are, and I’m not dumb not to see the obvious.

          My Response:
          I call other people’s differing points stupid or hogwash only if they’re stupid or hogwash. It’s very fair of me. I struck out some mind-reading. You’re welcome. 🙂

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          You Said:
          And repeating yourself will not make it any more true. You can repeat it until infinity. It will make no difference.

          My Response:
          Okay. However, you never, ever, not ever get to scold me that “my mind is made up” ever again. 🙂

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          You Said:
          But your online conduct is another topic.

          My Response:
          Lol! Finally It’s been your only topic for… how long now?

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          You Said:
          I know what’s coming. I know how you will respond regardless of me pointing them out. You’ll still respond in the same way, won’t you? You refuse to understand that by doing so proves me right about you and how you think. Essentially, I’m winning the argument you’ve started five years ago. I probably already won. But I’m not about arguments if they’re unnecessary or uncalled for. That’s what you’re about seems. But that’s you.

          My Response:
          First, I had to get rid of some mind-reading dross that was getting in the way of your reply. Okay, if this is what you think is winning the argument… You must be a big Washington Generals fan, eh? If you’re winning the argument, then the Generals are the tops of the basketball world! 🙂

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          You Said:
          So, go ahead and trash my responses as usual. I await your wrath.

          My Response:
          Veni, vidi, trashi. I came, I saw, I trashed. Just kidding!

          You await my… wrath?!? Dude: When have I ever been anything but cheerful with you?!? Your post was outstanding! I liked it a lot. Lots of food for thought there. For you too, I hope!

          I do want you to know that I’m very, very, very sympathetic to your point of view, because you are a victim. A victim of the Left’s and the RGI’s manipulations.

          You’re just like one of those Nazis of early- and mid-1930’s Germany, all caught up in the sound and the fury of the oncoming storm. Hitler sure howled about justice, alright! Just like you! He, too, saw persecution of his kind all over the place, and especially in places where no one else could see it… He howled and he howled for justice alright. And in the Soviet Union, Stalin was “howling” (metaphorically — he was a man of few words) for justice, too! All while both were killing people wholesale.

          That’s where the Left is leading you, BW. You might not believe it, but society is all about trajectories. When was the last time you saw the Democrat Party, and the American Left do anything but go… further left?

          If your answer was “never,” then you pass the quiz.

          The Left has long since become the extreme left… it was inevitable, as that’s where their trajectory was bringing them. If no one did anything to change their direction, then it was inevitable that they end up where they are now: on the Extreme Left. If they bring about the next totalitarian police state, then you’ll be one of the ones who helped them do it! But, between you and me, I’d prefer that there not be a totalitarian police state in America… Just so you know, the Left refers to those who help them take power, while acting outside their own best interests… “useful idiots.”

          Don’t be a useful idiot, BW. Think for yourself for a change.

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          Now, are you going to answer my questions? You just gave me a blizzard of non-answer. Can you give me an answer now? I’ve posed two questions to you, and you’ve failed to answer either one. Your turn.

          Best,

          — x

          1. “Dude: you weren’t “hauled here.” You weren’t “kidnapped, forced and ripped away from Africa.” A whole bunch of other people, who lived here more than a century before you were born… were. It’s grotesque to pretend that you’ve been treated in America the same as were the ancient slaves, and you need to cut that out immediately! Sheesh! That’s disgraceful!”

            I concede that I should’ve said ‘my ancestors’ as opposed to ‘we’ as it’s not only factually incorrect, but it touched a nerve as indicated by your last few words. I apologize for the mistake in that alone, but I won’t apologize if it’s made you uncomfortable. Regardless of what I said, you should know what I mean and not take it literally.

            “To America’s vast, vast credit, she eventually got around to doing right by her black citizens. It was too late for the slaves, and even for their great, great grandchildren, but the limits and barriers and cruel laws were starting to decay and fall apart as soon as the echoes from the last shots of the Civil War faded out. See if you can guess which political tendency then spent literally the next century trying to keep black Americans “in their place.” Yep, the left-wing Democrat Party.”

            There is no doubt that black people sided with republicans since the civil war, but black people slowly shifted their leaning to the democratic party in the early 1900’s and grew from there. Still, a sizable portion of black voters still voted republican regardless. In the end, black people, like anyone else, would vote for the candidate who appears to have their best interests in mind, and no, not all or most blacks voted for Obama due to his complexion. (Just in case you thought about going there.)

            “I said that the system that white Europeans put in place was one that would eventually get rid of crimes like slavery, Jim Crow, segregation, prejudice, discrimination. Then I said that the system did all that initially only for white people. I even said that it was a system set up for white men. I don’t recall my exact words, but they’re in there. In other words, I did say that the system was a bunch of great things for white men, but that if you weren’t white, or a man, then you certainly didn’t share fully in the goodness of the system.”

            The first part is what’s wrong, not with what you said, but the fact that it was established and was maintained for so long, and that it’s residual essence in still thrives today. It’s not total. It’s not even overt. But it’s still there. And given the long multi-generational history of racial oppression against blacks, it shouldn’t surprise anyone that you have black people who are skeptical and with good reasons. Racism still lives, whether we like it or not, and we don’t. We don’t whine or scream about this for pleasure. The pain is largely genuine, and you would at least know that if you would JUST LISTEN.

            “No one tried to “brighten up” slavery, what my friend did was state the obvious: the aftermath turned out pretty well. Post-slavery America is the very best place in the world to live. There’s really no debate about that… except with the RGI, who say that America is a hellhole for black people.”

            The ends don’t always justify the means. In this case, our ancestors paid with their heritage, histories, backgrounds, knowledge-of-selves, names and even our lives. How many Africans had to die so that America could prosper off of their blood? Think about that. And for many black people today, it’s still a struggle, especially in recent years. Again, listen to their stories without some preemptive attack with your armory of demanding facts and insult flinging regarding their realities and intelligence. That’s the only way you’ll learn, if truly want to.

            “And, no, “agreeing with a white nationalist” (who’s not a racist, by the way) is not trying to justify slavery. Get it straight: Patrick Buchanan does not “justify slavery!” He never has. Ever. Like me, he pointed out that post-slavery America is the best possible place in the world for black people to live.”

            I just copied and pasted the quote, and yet, you still deny it. And you call me ignorant. Just proves my point about how you do things.

            “Now, you’re back into your mind-readinng again, and pretending you know where I get my information. Let’s try to pull any nuggets out of this mess.”

            Learn a new tune already. It’s not about reading your mind. It’s about reading your responses. There’s a difference. And you never fully denied my claim.

            You don’t use those things for hatred (not “hate,” please — it’s “hatred”), but the RGI does, and the leaders of the black Left do. And, yes, they are racists, and yes, they are bad people. You’re a bad person only to the extent that you support them.

            First off, don’t correct me when you misspell yourself. Second, there is no RGI. Blacks on the left largely don’t hate white people. They are not racists, because they don’t have the power to oppress large swaths of white people based on color. They are not bad people, and neither am I. If you’re against being labeled, you should take your own advice and stop labeling people as well, especially if you don’t know them and don’t care to know them.

            “I know. Not all of us hate white people. However, the black Left has a general antipathy toward white people that goes way
            over into hatred all the time. Dude: most things are on a continuum. The black Left’s feelings toward white people, if you
            were to take a poll, make a graph, do a Venn diagram — would show a significant portion of hatred toward white people. You and I both know it. To deny it is to bury over a stain on black Americans souls today. You are confronted with evil in the midst of your very own people. You have a choice: to continue to deny it, or to denounce it. Even if you’re right that there is a minority of black people who hate white people, that doesn’t change for a minute every other black person’s sacred responsibility to denounce that racist hatred. Look at it this way, what if I said that only a minority of white people hate black people because of their skin color? Would that let me off the hook for denouncing that racist hatred? You know the answer to that question. If something is wrong, it’s wrong. It’s not magically alright if a black person does it.”

            Okay. Now, you sound incredibly desperate.

            You say the black left hates white people. You realize you made a racially charged comment? You didn’t just say the left. You said the black left. That statement is racist by observation and definition. But I digress.

            Do you ever plan on finding out why straight from black liberals like a human being and talk to them like mature adults? And can you honestly say that the supposed hatred from black liberals can compete with what anti-black racism has done and is doing to black people in and abroad? You can’t. No sane person would even compare the two, and history and reality shows we have more to fear from racism than white people ever have up to this day.

            And most black liberals don’t hate whites, and I don’t side with those that do. some of us do denounce many evils and hatred while some of us talk to them and find out that it’s not hatred, but frustration. How do I know, I LISTEN TO THEM.

            I’m not letting you off the hook, because your statement that a minority of white people hates blacks is incorrect. It’s way more than a minority, and it’s not always about hate, not in many cases. It’s about fear. A lot of white people don’t know how to deal with black people. Some get scared at the very sight of us. Some believe we want to take America away from them. Some think we’re planning a race war. Some make these preconceived fears about black people without actually talking and listening to black people.

            I got that information about white fears through research and reading their explanations. I can never understand their fears which will turn into hate for some, but black people, by and large, are not out to do any of those things against them what whatever reason they believe in. If that weren’t true, whites would be a minority in this country or worse. Plain and simple. So, they need to do something about their fears of us, because it is not rooted in logic. And so do you. Your fears of the black left are also unfounded.

            “I’d never convince you of what I was saying!”

            Then why bother repeating yourself over and over again?

            “You’ll probably demand me to show proof of racism”… Welllll… Yeah! Duh! You can’t say it’s out there, it’s everywhere, as you do, and then not provide compelling proof. Duh! Calling America “racist” is to indict America. Dude: YOU HAVE TO PROVE IT! 🙂 If I say you’re a murderer, or a rapist, I have to… prove it. You or I can’t just run around saying horrible things about people, or entire countries, and not… FREAKIN’ PROVE IT! DUH!!!”

            America being a racist nation is common knowledge you chose to reject even with proof. It just is. It was obvious since its creation, and it’s obvious now. You want proof, go to my blog here:

            https://brothawolf.wordpress.com/2018/08/13/for-those-who-demand-proof-of-racism-but-will-reject-it-as-such-when-its-presented/

            But you will come up with all kinds of BS to reject, won’t you? Like I said once, this is nothing new when it comes to people who demand for proof only to shoot it down. A comedian calls it “sealioning”. I dunno why. Still, that’s what you do all the time, and it shows you’re arguing in terrible faith and are probably too scared to know the truth so much so you seemed aggravated.

            Again, if you’re want proof so much, look for it yourself. If you can blog, you can do a search, read a book, ask experts, etc. And you never said from which sources you would accept such proof. You sound desperate not to know that your great country isn’t as great as you think or were told.

            And using a rapist and murderer analogy is flawed. (a)The subject here is an entire nation, not one individual. (b) Calling it racist is not horrible in itself, but you place more emphasis on that as opposed to historical and societal proof. It’s like you’re saying calling it racist is worse than it actually being racist.

            “First, I had to get rid of some mind-reading dross that was getting in the way of your reply. Okay, if this is what you think is winning the argument… You must be a big Washington Generals fan, eh? If you’re winning the argument, then the Generals are the tops of the basketball world!”

            I think I touched another nerve.

            “When have I ever been anything but cheerful with you?!? Your post was outstanding! I liked it a lot. Lots of food for thought there. For you too, I hope!
            I do want you to know that I’m very, very, very sympathetic to your point of view, because you are a victim. A victim of the Left’s and the RGI’s manipulations.”

            No. As with all naysayers, you were demeaning, condescending, arrogant, ignorant, holier-than-thou and just plain immature.

            You’re not sympathetic, because you’re not empathetic, and have chosen not to be in the way you’ve commented. And I’m not a victim as you claim, especially of the nonexistent RGi.

            Also, stop with comparing the left to Nazi Germany. That makes no sense. If you want to see that which reminds you of Nazi Germany, check out the alt-right and their leaders and idols, one of whom lives in 1600 Pennsylvania Ave.

            You may have complemented me on my reply, but I really don’t need it. I don’t even why I bothered. Neither of us is going to convince the other of their views. I could’ve left you and your blog alone and you could’ve banned me. We didn’t.

            I guess we’re gluttons for punishment.

  2. By the way, here is ONE example of what I was talking about. The article is linked below.

    https://newjerseyglobe.com/local/monroe-school-board-candidate-made-racist-facebook-posts/

    This guy was running for a spot on a Gloucester county school board in New Jersey. However, Rick Jankowski was ousted as a “crazy racist” when his Facebook messages surfaced. He has written the following, among many:

    “So now I watch videos of the ‘protesters’ throwing trash cans and any other items at any white person they see…….time to start firing bullets into these fucking monkeys and send them to their graves…”

    “I’m sorry but I can’t stay quiet any longer…..you goddamn animals in Missouri make me sick! Another black criminal gets killed after assaulting a white cop and you pieces of shit want justice? You are not Americans, you are animals who disgust me. You wonder why there is racism in this country? Get a fucking job and contribute you useless wastes of life instead of constantly committing crims and protesting when you get what you deserve”

    That’s just a couple of his messages. The rest is in the article along with a meme he reposted from a group or page called ‘Right Wing News’. And you may be insulted by this, but some of what he said sounds like your talking points.

    I know,, this is only one example. Some would argue that Rick’s expressing his freedom of speech and shouldn’t be held accountable. But consider this, if he proceeded with the candidacy and won, the mindset that’s expressed on Facebook would have a BIG influence on his decision making which, as you can see as plain as day, would likely have a major negative impact on certain students within that school district if other members followed along. The point here is that his Facebook rants are just one half of this guy’s racism. The other half would’ve been possible had he gotten elected.

    As for his free speech, this is a perfect example of what I was talking. He used it irresponsibly, and it caught up to him. He felt free to express his hatred of certain people and look where it got him. You can blame this on liberals if you want to, but doing so does not diminish the fact that he said what he said. Having a freedom does not mean that it’s not without consequences no matter what you say. And with Rick, he expressed his mind, and look where it got him. Like they say, what’s done in the dark, comes out in the light. And God doesn’t like ugly.

    Again, this is but ONE example. You can look for others on your own if you choose to. I won’t do the heavy lifting, especially for a problem that’s not mine. Your rage against black liberals is very close to the rage expressed by this man. Like it or not, he’s likely a conservative, especially since he reposted something from a right wing page.

    This isn’t to say all conservatives are like this, but believe it or not, many of them are. Your unwillingness to accept that truth means you knowingly prefer to be ignorant about your own political side for personal means. What those means are is up for debate, but I’m not in any mood to have you accusing me of trying to read your mind for the millionth time. As far as I’m concerned, that’s a cop out, and even after showing you solid proof of an issue one town alone is dealing with, then I don’t know what else to tell you.

    I’m not saying you should stop being a conservative, but I AM saying is that this is the norm for a lot of people who belong to the right.

    1. You said:
      By the way, here is ONE example of what I was talking about. The article is linked below.

      https://newjerseyglobe.com/local/monroe-school-board-candidate-made-racist-facebook-posts/

      This guy was running for a spot on a Gloucester county school board in New Jersey. However, Rick Jankowski was ousted as a “crazy racist” when his Facebook messages surfaced. He has written the following, among many:

      “So now I watch videos of the ‘protesters’ throwing trash cans and any other items at any white person they see…….time to start firing bullets into these fucking monkeys and send them to their graves…”

      “I’m sorry but I can’t stay quiet any longer…..you goddamn animals in Missouri make me sick! Another black criminal gets killed after assaulting a white cop and you pieces of shit want justice? You are not Americans, you are animals who disgust me. You wonder why there is racism in this country? Get a fucking job and contribute you useless wastes of life instead of constantly committing crims and protesting when you get what you deserve”

      That’s just a couple of his messages. The rest is in the article along with a meme he reposted from a group or page called ‘Right Wing News’. And you may be insulted by this, but some of what he said sounds like your talking points.

      I know,, this is only one example. Some would argue that Rick’s expressing his freedom of speech and shouldn’t be held accountable. But consider this, if he proceeded with the candidacy and won, the mindset that’s expressed on Facebook would have a BIG influence on his decision making which, as you can see as plain as day, would likely have a major negative impact on certain students within that school district if other members followed along. The point here is that his Facebook rants are just one half of this guy’s racism. The other half would’ve been possible had he gotten elected.
      My Response:
      Lol! I defy you to point to one place, in the millions of words I’ve written where I’ve said something even remotely like that. Go ahead, I’ll wait. You won’t find it, though. Because it doesn’t exist.

      This guy, Rick? He sounds like you. You’re the guy, along with your friends, who uses that kind of language about white people. I point you, for example, to your friend ‘diary’ who fantasized openly over the violent death of all white people. Something I’ve never said, and something no one I’ve ever known among white people has ever said. You have to face it, BW, you’re the exact thing you condemn so loudly. Maybe that’s why you condemn it so loudly… to deflect from your own faults.

      So, one obscure moron in New Jersey spouts a bunch of codswallop and that means that all white people are racist morons? Okay. I’ll play along: When one black man murders someone, that must mean that all black men are murderers. And when one black man commits a rape, that means, of course, that all black men are rapists. This is what I mean, BW… your constant, incessant obsession with isolated incidents and anecdotes that mean nothing as far as the rest of he country is concerned. Furthermore, this particular anecdote proves my point. This half-witted dude got caught making racist posts… and it’s national news. And the entire country moves immediately to stamp out any thoughts this dude ever had of having a future in politics. Your own words prove my point. What words were those, you say? “If he proceeded with the candidacy.” Sorry, dude, your New Jersey Globe story makes my point for me quite nicely. Thanks, I’ll be using it.

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      You said:
      As for his free speech, this is a perfect example of what I was talking. He used it irresponsibly, and it caught up to him. He felt free to express his hatred of certain people and look where it got him. You can blame this on liberals if you want to, but doing so does not diminish the fact that he said what he said. Having a freedom does not mean that it’s not without consequences no matter what you say. And with Rick, he expressed his mind, and look where it got him. Like they say, what’s done in the dark, comes out in the light. And God doesn’t like ugly.
      My Response:
      Did your friend ‘diary’ use her free speech irresponsibly too? Hmmmmm… she had no consequences whatsoever for wishing a violent death on more than a billion white people! Wow! And, thank you for proving my point. Your very words: And with Rick, he expressed his mind, and look where it got him. Yep. He paid the consequences for his stupid words! Thank you for admitting that there’s no such thing as White Privilege in America! White privilege? Hogwash! Looks a lot more like Black Privilege to me.
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      You said:
      Again, this is but ONE example. You can look for others on your own if you choose to. I won’t do the heavy lifting, especially for a problem that’s not mine. Your rage against black liberals is very close to the rage expressed by this man. Like it or not, he’s likely a conservative, especially since he reposted something from a right wing page.
      My Response:
      Yep. It’s but one example. There are close to 200 million white people. They must all be guilty, because of that one guy. Sheesh, BW! Do you even realize what a moron you sound like sometimes?!? I had to strike out the part where you pretended you could know what I’m feeling. Then I had to strike out the part where you pretended you knew how the Jankowski thinks. I did read the Globe piece through, though. Nowhere in it do they mention Jankowski’s party affiliation. That means he’s a Democrat. If a Republican had said that kind of thing, the press would write, “Republican candidate for school board, John Smith said…” They also said that he’s a union carpenter. That also means he’s likely a Democrat. A New Jersey Democrat is a liberal, dude. Sorry. Your Globe article just keeps proving my point for me. Thanks for providing it.
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      You said:
      This isn’t to say all conservatives are like this, but believe it or not, many of them are. Your unwillingness to accept that truth means you knowingly prefer to be ignorant about your own political side for personal means. What those means are is up for debate, but I’m not in any mood to have you accusing me of trying to read your mind for the millionth time. As far as I’m concerned, that’s a cop out, and even after showing you solid proof of an issue one town alone is dealing with, then I don’t know what else to tell you.
      My Response:
      Well, since we pretty much determined that your friend Jankowski, who sounds so much like you, is a liberal, I guess your paragraph is pretty much moot, eh? And, no, many Conservatives are not racists. Most leftists, like you, are. A central tenet of Conservatism is the inherent value of every individual. That central tenet is incompatible with racism. A central tenet of the leftist is controlling others. Racism is a valuable component of that state of mind. But, you’re a leftist… you should know that. I guess that’s why you’re a racist too!

      You said: “and even after showing you solid proof of an issue one town alone is dealing with” Lol! Dude: one town isn’t dealing with anything. Your story is about ONE SINGLE, SOLITARY DUDE! Sometimes the things you say are so stupid, they’re funny. The only one “dealing with the ‘issue’” in that town is the Jankowski dude, who has to go find another job now, probably has to move, and has learned a valuable lesson about keeping his mouth shut. Everyone else has already forgotten about it, except, that is, for the phony daisies who pretend to be upset by it… like you. BrothaDaisy.
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      You said:
      I’m not saying you should stop being a conservative, but I AM saying is that this is the norm for a lot of people who belong to the right.
      My Response:
      How big of you to continue to let me be a Conservative! Why thank you, massa! I’m so glad I can keep being a Conservative, massa!

      The home of racism is on the Left, and I’ve pretty much proven it to you. If you were able to prove differently, then you wouldn’t be providing sources that prove my points. And you’d be able to find more than just isolated incidents of individual people being idiots, whose idiocy then… proves my points for me.

      As you can tell, BW, I’m pretty much fed up with your sophomoric, amateurish horse-hockey. If you can’t put forward any actual arguments, why don’t you take a hike? Oh, I won’t ban you… that’s fascistic behavior. I’ll just stop giving you the attention that you stopped deserving long ago.
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      Best,

      — x

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