More RGI Censorship


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When the Race Grievance Industry can’t produce any argumentation to counter what you might say to them, they simply shut you up.

I was having a bit of a back and forth with BrothaWolf (blog here) and it was kind of the usual:

  1. I’d make a point, then…
  2. BW would say, “You don’t know what you’re talking about,” then…
  3. I’d prove I know well what I’m talking about, then…
  4. I’d produce mounds of evidence from highly credible sources, and then…
  5. BW would follow with, “You never show any evidence,” then…
  6. he’d call me names, then…
  7. he’d accuse me of name-calling, and…
  8. I’d ask that he produce some kind of credible evidence for his various premises, at which point…
  9. he’d say, “I don’t have to do that, it’s everywhere!” to which…
  10. I’d reply, “If it’s everywhere, show me some of it,” to which…
  11. he’d shoot back, “You’d reject my sources,” to which…
  12. I’d point out that he’d already rejected the sources I’d used, to which…
  13. he’d whine that I was being mean, and that that was really the problem with me all along, at which point…
  14. I’d try again to get BW to produce some evidence of all this terrible mistreatment white people were perpetrating against black Americans today, to which…
  15. BW would respond that I was being mean, that I’d shown no evidence, that he didn’t need to show any evidence, that I ws a big mean jerk and that’s why no one likes me, and that I wouldn’t believe any evidence he’d produce anyway, so he wasn’t going to produce any, at which point…
  16. Repeat from Step #1.

The topic was BW’s essay (link here) saying that if you support Trump, then you’re like Trump. I guess he must mean that we all take for granted the lazy media’s characterization of Trump as a racist, misogynistic jerk, and that therefore supporters of Trump’s policies are also racist, misogynistic jerks.

The basic premise of BW’s essay was correct, of course. All supporters of a political leader share some of his or her characteristics. Duh! It was a dumb premise, because it stated the obvious. However, it was that other underlying premise that was wrong, and I pointed that out by reacting to some of the silly comments that BW’s essay elicited.

During the whole exercise, BW never once provided any actual evidence. Oh, he tried once. He pointed me to a long diatribe on the web site of… Ben and Jerry. Yep. The legendary, hippy-dippy, nutcase Socialist ice cream moguls. The piece was so full of flapdoodle that BW should have been ashamed for having tried to use it as evidence.

Here’s an example: The essay pretended that the median income for single white women is about $41,000, while that for single black women is around $100, and that for single Hispanic women is around $125. Wow!

If that were true, then it means that single white women are living on a tad more than $110 per day, while single black women are living on about… a quarter per day. Yep. Twenty-five cents per day. It’s a bit better for Hispanic women, though: the Ben and Jerry’s essay says, and BW thinks, they live on about 34 cents a day!

BW passed off this obvious codswallop as truth. In other words, he’d done what the Left is so famous for: He’d swallowed uncritically a bunch of horse hockey, and considered it… fact. Worse, now he’s running around all indignant pretending he knows something about the comparative quality of life for single white, black and Hispanic women.

Normally, I don’t do this, but BW is about to ban me, again, from his blog, and he’s said that he’s going to delete posts. I assume that means that he’s going to “clean up” comments that disagree convincingly with his premises, meaning my comments, and possibly the comment of artaxes who posted once to the thread. So, I’ve taken the unusual step to copy the content of the particular thread in question, and paste it here in this post before it goes away.

So, without further ado, here’s the post, and all the comments:


 

Opinion: Supporting Trump Probably Means You Share His Traits

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This doesn’t require any fancy words, extensive paragraphs or colorful language for the simple reason that it doesn’t take a lot of brain power to know what a punk-ass racist bully this nation’s president is. But some would deny it up and down while others will back him up, justifying his racism. And honestly, there’s nothing that could be said that would convince them that the man living in 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. is perhaps the worst man for the job. Then again, those people may be terrible people themselves, and birds of a feather…

So, what did 45 do this time? Well, in short, he lashed out at NFL football players kneeling during the National Anthem one of his usual Trumpian tirades. Keep in mind, that he was never that livid about the white supremacists terrorizing Charlottesville this past August, a gathering that resulted in violence and death. In fact, he referred to them as “very fine people” while an NFL protester, who’s black, is a “son of a bitch”.  So, how exactly is this not a nod to racism?

You know what? I don’t want to know. There’s nothing that can be said to defend Trump for this or any of his bullshit since he was sworn in office. I’m inclined to assume that those who would still go out of their way to argue in favor of Trump, more or less, share his Neanderthal traits. They’re just as racist and angry as he is, and they look up to him for that.

186 THOUGHTS ON “OPINION: SUPPORTING TRUMP PROBABLY MEANS YOU SHARE HIS TRAITS”

  1. I’m glad Trump is America’s president.

    No more hiding what this country really stands for.

  2. Probably? I’d say definitely!

  3. Amen to that. Although I have to say that the majority of NFL players reacted most beautifully today to his latest slew of bullshit.

  4. This mother fucker is such a bad president. He’s a bad person to boot, don’t take it from me just- look to David Cay Johnston’s “The Making of Donald Trump” The man is a lowlife criminal, nothing redeemable about him! But as DOAN says, I’m kind happy he is in office too, because the mask is off!

    I get to listen to so many people defend him when they know nothing about him. About how every policy that nigger Obama put into practice was to the detriment of the country (for the record, fuck Obama- he murdered thousands of innocents) Also fuck the NFL. So they take a knee? That won’t stop the ku klux kops from murdering us in cold blood.

    Not a single institution in the country has our best interest at heart. NFL or otherwise. Peace out.

    • @philomage: sorry, but your post is a bunch of paranoid, slapdash hogwash. I don’t support Trump — though I voted for him (because next to Hillary, he looks like a choir boy) — but not because of what you think. I don’t support Trump, because he’s what we always knew he was: just another woolly-brained New York liberal! Duh!

      Your so-called “ku klux kops” are not murdering anyone wholesale. Nine unarmed black people were killed in police actions last year. Nine. As the Washington Post reported. That’s hardly “wholesale murder.”

      You’re right about one thing: the NFL doesn’t have black Americans’ interests at heart. That’s not their business. They’re in the business of winning football games, filling stadium seats, and selling television advertising.

      If you’re pretending that the NFL doesn’t have black people’s interest at heart, then they certainly don’t have white people’s interests at heart either! The NFL has made thousands of black athletes fabulously wealthy. What problem do you have at that? The actually statement would be that the NFL is obviously an equal opportunity employer. If you’re black, and you can help the team, you’re hired. What problem do you have with that? same if you’re white. This is incandescently obvious.

      One institution in America absolutely does have black Americans’ interests at heart: the American people. They’ve been on an effort to remove obstacles to black Americans’ success for many decades now.

      Here’s the last true statement that you need; the one that puts the lie to everything you wrote in your post, and to most of what BW wrote in his silly post to which you responded: There are, demonstrably, no more obstacles in the path of a black person’s chances for success in America, than in front of any other person’s.

      Go ahead: produce some real, concrete, persuasive evidence to counter that statement.

      Best,

      — x

      • I don’t debate racists, sorry. I used to, but that ship has sailed. Peace out.

      • Okay, then you can debate me.

        Since you have no magical powers to read my mind you can’t guess that I’m a racist. Only an idiot would do that. I’m guessing, though, that you’re not an idiot, so all you’re really saying is that you can’t debate me.

        And, as I said above, you now prove that you have nothing to counter what I said. Anyone can say, “I don’t debate racists.” It takes courage and intelligence to stand for something. Something real, not the imaginary codswallop in your bilious post.

        BW: You’ll note that ztarztruck started the name-calling, before you jump in and accuse me of something of which I’m not guilty. yes, i did disparage his comment, but only because it was dumber than a rock. You’ll note that I also suggested up top that ztarztruck is not an idiot.

        Best,

        — x

      • You disrespected his comment first with immature name-calling. Any true conservative would take personal responsibility for his actions. After all, isn’t that what you believe in?

      • You can’t “disrespect” a comment, as you can a person. You can show contempt for something contemptible. The comment was contemptible. To have shown respect for something contemptible would have been contemptible by itself.

        Also, let’s not kid ourselves, BW, you “disrespect” my comments all the time. You’er not one to be worrying about “disrespecting comments.” 🙂

        Best,

        — x

      • Maybe so, but when I disagree, I don’t call the comment names as you can a person, unless that person starts going that route. An eye for an eye.

      • BW: You do get to characterize an inanimate thing — a comment — without it being name-calling. It’s called “description.” I’d really hope I wouldn’t have to elaborate on that for you. Whereas “trucks” sole comment to me was to call me a name that is, obviously, incendiary, libelous and toxic. Honestly, BW, I’m not surprised that you took his side. Disappointed, but not surprised.

        “trucks’” comment was, and is, all the things that I said it was. It would be wrong and dishonest to describe it otherwise.

        “trucks” needs to have the courage of his convictions and come up with some counter-arguments with real substance to what I said.

        I made three clear points, and I gather that ztarztruck doesn’t have any counter arguments. But, like any true member of the Race Grievance Industry, he’s got the you’re-a-racist thing! Of course! It’s likely all he has! It’s the very first resort of the person who has no idea what he’s talking about.

        Here are my three clear points:

        1) American police are not killing black people wholesale. The Washington Post says so.

        2) The NFL is not in business to answer to the interests of black, white, brown, yellow or any other people. They’re in business to win football games, put backsides into stadium seats, and get eyes on their games from television coverage.

        3) There are, demonstrably, no more obstacles in the path of a black person’s chances for success in America, than there are in front of any other person’s.

        I suggest that “trucks” say something that counters these, I think, obvious realities. I won’t really hold my breath.

        Best,

        — x

      • Ztarztruck is not at liberty to comment if he doesn’t want to. Besides, you make it a mission to minimize the experiences of black people, something that certain racists do. So, why should he waste his time and respond when you’re just going to automatically dismiss it anyway?

      • Regarding your point about the “BGI”: back in late 2014, I wrote a 7 part series about that theory, how it was introduced, and what it means. It’s a theory that appeals to bigoted White racists because it attacks the rights of Blacks to petition the courts for redress of grievances by/and retaining Black attorneys to represent them. It was attacked also because Blacks who have access to the media reported on cases, such as Trayvon Martin and Jordan Davis. However, the “BGI” was not thrown about much regarding Davis because his parents were represented by a White lawyer.

        In other words xpraetorius, you just conveyed to us what gets you all upset; i.e., financially independent, educated, Blacks, and more specifically, Black men who exercise their constitutional rights.

      • Apologies… I meant “philomage.” Not sure how I confused “trucks” with philomage.

        My apologies to “trucks.”

        Best,

        — x

      • Lol! Xena, what on earth are you talking about?!? I’ve made a lot of allusions to an RGI — the Race Grievance Industry — but I’ve never made any allusions to any “BGI.”

        I can assure you that I have no problem whatsoever with financially independent, educated black Americans, and more specifically black men who exercise their constitutional rights.

        In fact, that very phenomenon — financially independent, educated black men — have been a quest of mine for a very long time. If you were to read any of what I’ve written here, you’d realize that.

        Xena, this is just a suggestion, but you might want to inform yourself on a topic before you go jumping to half-witted conclusions about other people.

        Furthermore, since I’m neither bigoted nor white, I gather your 7-part series is not targeted to me. However, I wish you the best anyway.

        Best,

        — x

      • Xpraetorius,
        Semantics. “Race Grievance Industry” and “Black Grievance Industry” are one and the same. The person who coined “BGI” simply uses “Race” instead of “Black” when Black lawyers who gained media attention representing Black families also represent White and Brown families.

        I don’t know the color of your skin and you don’t know the color of my skin. I won’t tell you to give you any idea as to who is more intelligent and knowledgeable. Since you have not read the series that I wrote, you cannot factually say whether it was targeted to one race or another. You wouldn’t have to guess. I wrote it for those interested. Everyone can benefit from information.

        I did not address the rest of your diatribe because it is built on a false hypothesis. Once the BGI theory is proven to be developed to attack minorities who exercise their constitutional rights, it makes the rest of your purported points moot.

      • Hi, Xena! Thanks for your reply! Not terribly stupid, as is usually the case on this site! And for that it stands out in stark contrast! Let’s take a brief look at what you said, shall we?

        First: Not semantics at all! I coined the term Race Grievance Industry, but was not aware of the term Black Grievance Industry.

        Our small but increasingly influential thinktank did an essay on all the subsets of the larger American Grievance Industry, and it’s possible that I also coined BGI.

        I’ve coined many terms in common use in America today. One of my better coinages is a recent one: “Zombie Citizen.” Look for it in our blog.

        You do know the color of my skin… it’s a deep, rich brown. I am a black American, I don’t know the color of your skin, and I don’t care, so please feel free not to tell me. I care only for what you think, not what you look like

        Most people who comment on this blog are deeply obsessed with what they and others look like. I couldn’t care less.

        Your original post said something about “appealing” to racist white people, or the like. It’s entirely possible that I mis-read it, and I’ll go back and check. Since that was my interpretation, and I’m neither white nor a racist, then I assumed it was not targeted toward me. I apologize if I was mistaken.

        There are, of course, no prominent people, no laws, no customs, practices, rules, regulations, statutes, policies or procedures at any level in America “attacking minorities who exercise their constitutional rights.” Therefore, your overt confession that you don’t actually read that to which you respond speaks very poorly of you indeed. I hope you’ll reconsider. Your state of mind is a vital ingredient in ignorance and intellectual laziness… and, of course, in just being wrong.

        Best,

        — x

      • Let me interject for a moment. What makes you think that the usual comments here are stupid? And why is her comment ignorant and wrong without any explanation?

      • So many of the comments on your blog come from intellectual laziness, and amount to one thing: All white people are dirty, rotten racists, and they should all die.

        That’s a stupid comment on the face of it, yet it’s the most common fare on your blog.

        You foster that with your erroneous idea that a single incident can tell a story for an entire country. You can be excused for it, though. The media are the most guilty of trying to project anecdotes on the entire country. People who consume uncritically the media’s work product usually think that way.

        Sorry. It’s simply true.

        Best,

        — x

      • So many of the comments on your blog come from intellectual laziness, and amount to one thing: All white people are dirty, rotten racists, and they should all die.

        That’s a laugh. That’s only what you conclude from your own viewpoint. Let’s make this simple. If this blog was anti-white, why would I waste my time posting Rest In Peace posts to famous whites?

        By the way, calling a comment stupid is not constructive feedback and provides no intellectual explanation or counter-argument. It’s just a childish way of denouncing one’s response. I’m just saying.

      • Thanks for your criticism, BW. Unjustified as it is. 🙂 You willnote, I hope, that I’m never reluctant to support, in future posts, my initial assessment of a post.

        If, however, a post is stupid, then a post is stupid. It would be dishonest not to make mention of it.

        Someone here, for example, said something like: “I don’t debate with racists. Peace out.” That was a thoroughly moronic post.

        Why? Well, the concept itself is stupid: it’s with racists that one most needs to debate! Duh! Then, of course, the commenter had come to a really stupid conclusion based on almost no knowledge of the subject of his accusation. That was dumb as a stump.

        Your problem, BW, is that you allow that kind of flapdoodle here all the time. You do remember, don’t you, when I said that I’d allow only substantive posts over at my blog?

        My editor and I have adhered strictly to that rule. We don’t allow anyone to libel anyone else, to name call, to sling racial insults about, or the like. It keeps our comments topical, to the point, and it focuses those who would interact with us.

        And it keeps the idiots out.

        Best,

        — x

      • xPraetorius

        I could say what you write about is stupid and what you say in your comments are stupid. I can call people who make such comments idiots and other names. But I don’t.

        I may have in the past, but I grew out of that, because it’s a true form of pettiness that lacks any thought behind it. And the sad thing is you believe that the right is intellectually superior. Calling someone or something stupid takes little thought. It’s no different than a kids quarrel in a playground. And personally, I’m too old to go that route.

        But if that’s how you debate, it’s cool. I don’t parade around as if I’m right about everything, and call other people and their comments juvenile names if they’re genuinely wrong of if I disagree with them. If I’m wrong, I’ll admit it. If I’ve been insulting or harsh, I will apologize. I own up to my flaws and are honest about who I am. That’s personal responsibility, something that conservatives like you supposedly believe in.

      • @Brother:

        You opened a can of worms you’ll not be able to close! LOL!

      • LMAO!

      • Xpraetorius,
        The more you talk, the more your convey your bigotries through your inconsistencies. For instant if the color of ones skin is not important to you, why did you find it necessary to give your own? Secondly, I don’t need your approval nor disapproval to tell you anything about myself other than my race is human. That way, you know I’m not a robot.

        Another thing, I don’t know how long you’ve followed the RBI/BGI theory, but the man who took credit for coining that is known as Sundance. He is a blogger on the conservative treehouse site. Would you happen to be Sundance?

        Lastly, here’s a question for you; does everyone in the United States of America have the right to seek the courts for redress of differences?

      • “…If the color of ones skin is not important to you, why did you find it necessary to give your own?”

        Bingo!

      • Brothawolf,
        Strange, isn’t it? The idea of using time to seek out and try to influence those who disagree carries somewhat of a superiority complex. As we now see, it leads to them double-talking, being inconsistent, and condescending to others. He should not expect for others to believe him about anything, including the color of his skin.

      • Lol! Xena: you have no idea what my bigotries are, or are not. I’d strongly advise you to stop speculating as to who, how or what I am, and concentrate on my thoughts.

        I never offered my approval or my disapproval. Correctly, I haven’t arrived at a conclusion in that respect, and couldn’t possibly arrive at such a conclusion, given such a limited interaction with you.

        I addressed your ideas. I offered my skin color, because you seemed to think that it was germane to the discussion here. Others here have obsessed over trying to paint me as a white guy. Over and over and over and over again. That was, of course, a dodge to try to evade answering pointed questions to which they had no answers.

        I’ve tried many, many times, generally unsuccessfully, to persuade commenters to address my thoughts rather than what they think of me personally.

        I am not Sundance. I am the one who coined “Race Grievance Industry.” However, I never copyrighted the term, so others may feel they coined it. I don’t care. It needs to be out there, because it’s a good descriptive phrase.

        Ummmm… your last question is odd. A right is something that is either enshrined in the Constitution — the right to free speech, for example — or codified in American law as promulgated by the Congress of the United States, or adjudicated by the Supreme Court. The right to abortion, for example.

        In the case of your last question, anyone in the world — France even! — can petition the courts for redress of anything under the sun. It’s then up to the court to decide whether the question actually will come before the court. In the case of your question, which is a weird one, yes, anyone can petition the courts for “redress of differences.”

        The proper question likely is: “Does everyone in the United States of America have the right to petition the courts for redress of grievance, or grievances?” The answer to that is, of course: yes.

        In other words, if you and I have “a difference,” that’s likely not going to appear in any court of law. If, however, you believe that our “difference” has resulted in harm to you — a grievance — then that might be eligible for scrutiny by the courts.

        Best,

        — x

      • xPraetorious,

        Maybe if you’d stop saying how you’re a black woman, we may move on from that. Isn’t it fitting for a conservative to take personal responsibility for his actions? If so, you’re not sounding very conservative right now.

      • Lol! Thanks for your criticism here, BW.

        (1) Out of curiosity, for what actions have I not taken responsibility? Her actions, btw. 🙂

        (2) As I mentioned to Xena, I bring up things that I believe are germane either to the conversation, or to a post.

        If I mention my race and/or sex, then I believe it to be germane to what I’m addressing at the time. I don’t pretend to be right every time, but this is kind of a rapid-fire environment, and whenever I discover that I’ve made an error, I always try to admit it, apologize for it and move on.

        Best,

        — x

      • Lol Oh, come on. You don’t pretend to be right every time? Ever since I’ve known you, that was your whole push.

        But all that aside, here’s the deal. If you say you’re a black woman, you’re a black woman. I’m not going to put pressure on you to prove it, because you have the right to privacy as I do.

        But, since you are a proud member of the right, then it should mean that you strongly believe in God, no? So, you don’t have to prove who you are to me, BUT God sees all, and God knows who you are, and if you are being someone you’re not, let’s really hope He’s forgiving about it. I’m just saying.

      • Sounds good to me! yes, I do believe in God. Absolutely and completely. And yes, He will judge me, finally.

        I do not pretend to be right all the time, but I do demand that someone give me evidence of something before changing my mind about it. I’m very, very happy to change my mind. It means that I’ve liberated myself from something erroneous, and taken on a superior viewpoint. Everyone wants to do that! Or, everyone should want to do that!

        My whole point is I don’t see the point in whether I’m a black woman, a white man, or a purple something else. All that should matter is what I think, and how effectively, or not, I express it to you. That’s why I’ve always wondered why people were always trying to describe me, both physically and mentally, based on just a few words on a blog page.

        Best,

        — x

      • 1. Only you really don’t care about evidence if it goes against your personal right wing thinking.

        2. The commenters on this blog and myself wonder about what you are based on how you type. All five of you sound exactly the same. And if perchance you actually are a group of people, we withdraw. But if you aren’t, and are actually one person pretending to be a collective, and think we’re stupid enough to believe that, we can see through that. It’s all I’m saying.

      • Lol!

        1. I’m the only one who actually produces evidence. And I do it all the time. And I produce a LOT of it. You tend to produce anecdotes. If you think I don’t care about evidence, then produce some right now, and I’ll tell you whether it’s actually worthy evidence, and why, or why not. There are not “all five of us.” Two of us have interacted with you in the past. It’s been only I for the past few weeks, though.

        We are a think tank of 12 writers now, but you’ve been dealing only with me for the past few weeks. That should end the speculation about who I am. Speculation, you’ll note, in which I’ve never indulged about other people. Because it’s not relevant to anything.

        2. Whatever. No one should care in the slightest. All that should count are the thoughts expressed in your pages. Why waste my time and yours in speculating on my color, sex, age etc.? There’s no good reason for it.

      • If physical appearance is not important to you, then why not drop it and move on? I’ll start, and no longer bring it up unless it’s relevant to a topic.

      • Okay. Thanks. I appreciate it.

        Best,

        — x

      • Xpraetorius,
        Maybe you haven’t been around as long as I have to know who coined the term “BGI” You say that you have your own blog? Why do you spend so much time seeking out blogs you dislike, criticizing them, when in reality, you can only control your own blog?.

        I have two blogs, and I spend a good portion of time looking for information to blog about; visiting blogs I follow; tweeting links to blogs I follow — stuff like that. Ya know, supportive things, because I believe that planting good seeds reap good fruit. We can only give the fruit we reproduce.

        I see your fruit.

        With that said, I don’t have time to read your wrangling diatribes, and particularly, your distractions. Brothawolf had much more patience than I do because I would have blocked you on comment three.

      • @BW: You said:

         Ztarztruck is not at liberty to comment if he doesn’t want to. Besides, you make it a mission to minimize the experiences of black people, something that certain racists do. So, why should he waste his time and respond when you’re just going to automatically dismiss it anyway?

        Needless to say, never have I ever, not even once, minimized anyone’s experience. @BW, it’s not nice to fabricate things.

        BW: You regularly make the following mistakes: (1) you pretend that a single story tells you the entire story of a country. I call you on that. It’s not “minimizing someone’s experience,” to call him on his intellectual laziness. (2) You frequently pretend that you can know someone’s state-of-mind with a few conversations on a blog, and (3) you pretend to know what someone wants, or thinks, or feels… in short you pretend that you can read minds.

        Ztarztruck is also guilty of #3. You should both cut it out; it’s really dumb.

        Ztarztruck should respond because if he doesn’t, it means pretty persuasively that he has no argument and was full of codswallop before he posted in the first place. 🙂

        Best,

        — x

      • Needless to say, never have I ever, not even once, minimized anyone’s experience. @BW, it’s not nice to fabricate things.

        This is coming from someone who says that racism against blacks is not a major issue. That’s a pretty good way of minimizing the experience of not one person, but a group of people.

        But I’ll let Ztarztruck respond in full if he wants.

      • Nope.

        I said that racism in America is not a big problem. In the instances where it happens to anyone it is, obviously, a big problem.

        It is, however, not a problem that can be used to make a generalization across the entire country.

        You frequently accuse alll white Americans of being guilty of racism. As does Abagond.

        In that context, the onesies and twosies that you often talk about mean, literally, nothing. This is obvious.

        Please tell me that you understand how idiotic it would be for me to try to take the bad deeds of one black man, and use them to try to justify some whacko conclusion that all black men are somehow bad.

        Well, guess what: what’s fair is fair. If we’re not all alike, then for crying out loud, white people aren’t all alike! I mean, do you believe in honesty or not?!?

        This is not difficult to understand! We long ago convinced white people of it. Now we need to convince ourselves.

        To tell you a simple truth: The things that happen to one person simply can’t be applied to what happens to all such people is not to minimize that one person’s experiences, it’s simply to give them their real due.

        Which is to say that in the realm of public policy, they areunimportant. In the realm of humanitarian concern, of course, they’re of great importance; and, of course, they’re gigantically important to the person experiencing them.

        It’s a bit like this: We look at a 100-acre farm and think, “Wow! Huge!” Then we see it set into the county in which it resides and we go, “Okay, not all that big.” Then we see it in its state and we go, “Wow! Not all that big at all!” Then we see it from space, where it’s nothing but a pinprick, and we think, “Wow! The earth is HUGE!” Then we see the earth compared to Jupiter, and we think…

        You get my point. Everything is either HUGE, large. NotSoBig, or tiny, depending on which lens we’re using to observe it.

        You constantly tell tales of this terrible thing or that horrible thing that happened to one or one hundred people — to whom it is, of course, hugely important — and pretend that you’re using a lens that covers all 320 million people in America. Sorry… there’s no such lens, and that’s why I call you on it.

        Best,

        — x

      • 1. You always say that racism in America is not a big problem for black people. If you’re really a conservative, at least take responsibility for saying that much.

        2. You just won’t accept that it’s not about an individual experience and that it’s about what people in a group deal with. After all, haven’t you argued on behalf of straight white males on your blog? How is that any different?

      • To Your Point 1: I always say that “racism is not a big problem for black people in America.” I’ve never denied that I’ve said it. It’s always been kind of a central point of my interactions here. You’ve told me I’m wrong, and that all white people are racists, and since that’s a serious charge, I’ve challenged you to provide some kind of compelling evidence of it.

        If 165 million white people are seething with hostility toward black people, you should be able to point me to tens of thousands of ugly white racist incidents every year. You always point me to one guy or gal saying or doing one questionable or lousy thing and say, “See? See? That’s proof!

        It’s not. It’s an anecdote.

        And I proved it to you. How? Simple: when one black person does something horrible, does it mean that all black people are horrible? Of course not! Only an irrational racist would draw that conclusion. And when one black person does something horrible, there are no white people rushing to condemn all black people.

        To the contrary, they always fall all over themselves to be sure that no one generalizes across the entire black people. You see this also with the obsession with not tarring all muslims with the crimes of a few. Actually, now we’re falling all over ourselves to be sure not to condemn all muslims because of the crimes of quite a lot of muslims, but that’s for another discussion.

        To Your Point 2: Then stop giving me individual experiences! Give me meaningful statistics, laws, practices, policies, procedures, rules, regulations that support your point. Show me where there is ongoing actual harm to black people traceable back to white hostility.

        I’ll give you a hint: it’s out there, but it’s not what you think it is.

        Okay, fine… I’ll give it: It’s in left-wing white so-called “benevolence” and “caring” toward the groups they pretend to want to “help.” It’s in the consequences of Welfare, Affirmative Action and programs like that.

        John Roberts said it well:”The way to stop discriminating by race is to stop discriminating by race.”

        Yep.

        We have argued on behalf of Western white men. The evidence in real specifics and in real, concrete facts, is incontrovertible. They ended slavery; they ended racist laws, outlawed racist practices and policies throughout America; they engaged in wholesale transfer of the power, prestige and wealth they controlled in America to groups they identified as “disadvantaged.” There is no real debate that Western white men are the most generous group in the history of the world.

        Were they always that way? Of course not! But, somethingin them allowed them to revolutionize social interactions throughout their entire sphere of influence, granting unprecedented rights, privileges and benefits to those who previously didn’t have them.

        That kind of thing has never been seen before! And I’m very much one for giving credit where credit is due. So I do.

        I won’t keep you on tenterhooks… the “something” in Western white men that allowed them to engage in the introspection necessary for transforming themselves was, of course, Christianity. Or: Christ Himself.

        Best,

        — x

      • “When one black person does something horrible, does it mean that all black people are horrible? Of course not! Only an irrational racist would draw that conclusion. And when one black person does something horrible, there are no white people rushing to condemn all black people.”

        But it’s okay to call Islam a violent religion or consider that Muslims are terrorists and call them “baboons” like how you do on your blog?

        Also, saying that Western white men are the most generous group in the world is debatable, because it’s an opinion. I know a lot of kind white males, but I don’t know all of them, and neither can any one individual, including you.

      • Two things.

        First: If muslim violence were confined to onesies and twosies, then you’d be right. However, there have been thousands of such incidents throughout the world, and only in recent times… Remember when I ask you to point to “thousands of such incidents?” I can and do.

        Second: There have been opinion polls that ask muslims throughout the world their opinion of ISIS, Al Qaeda and such baboons. Consistently these polls show that some more than 40% of all muslims, worldwide, support these dirtbags.

        Here is a simple and obvious truth: There is something in Islam that encourages the susceptible to engage in atrocities. This is not debatable. It is okay to call Islam a violent religion. It has never spread anywhere in the world except through violent conquest.

        I stand by the “baboons” remarks, with apologies to actual baboons for associating them with ISIS.

        You are correct that to say that Western white men are the most generous group in history is an opinion. However, I then backed it up with established facts, covering huge events, and the entire country:
        • They eliminated slavery — the first and still only group to have done so.
        • They eliminated and outlawed racist laws, rules, regulations, practices and procedures at all levels of American life.
        • They transferred wealth and power away from themselves when they controlled it! This is an act of self-denial and generosity unprecedented in world history!

        And all of that with practically no shots fired after the Civil War!

        The above facts are refuted by no one, and represent powerful support for what I’ve said: Western white men are the most generous identifiable group in the history of the world. If you want to add “straight” in there, as you did before, okay. It is true, though, that, again, the American system of government — established by Western white men long ago — made massive concessions to to gays, also in recent history. Also undeniable.

        Best,

        — x

      • 1. Christianity isn’t exactly without a history of bloodshed of its own.

        2. I know you won’t produce a link to your poll. So, I won’t bother to ask.

        3. Are you a conspiracy theorist that believes that Western, straight white men are somehow under attack in some way?

      • 1. I know… but in Christianity is the one element — Christ — that allowed it to become the strongest force for good in the history of the world. Christ is the greatest force for good in the history of the world.

        2. Okay. Google something like “muslim public opinion polls.” As a gesture of good faith, I’ll hunt around for you as well.

        3. No. But, let’s face it, you and your commenters do make some really ugly, vast generalizations on all white men. It’s an attack by people who very much hate white men. However, all white people are not under attack, except by a very small minority of racists. Like your friend “diaryofanegress” who, in public, in these pages, openly wished for the violent death of all white people. That is, of course, a racist attack on all white people, including, of course, white men.

        4. Western civilization is, indeed, under attack by the political Left. Since Western white men established Western civilization, then you could conclude, without being a conspiracy theorist, that “Western white men” (not necessarily “straight”) are under attack.

        Best,

        — x

      • 1. No religion is not without some controversy.

        2. I’ll Google it.

        3. Do you consider me no different than say Stormfront? If so, how exactly?

        4. How is the Left attacking Western civilization or Western white men?

      • 1. Okay… but if you look into it, the “controversy” in Christianity is simply the result of flawed people trying to work within a moral belief system that allows for no mistreatment of anyone by anyone else. Flawed people always muck it up… and frequently.

        If you look into the “controversy” in Islam, you realize that it has been a blood-soaked religion since its founding. Google, for example, “thuggee cult.” I’ve known of them for years, but they do open the eyes.

        2. Okay.

        3. Of course not… I like you. Your friend diaryofanegress, for example, is a lot like what I understand “Stormfront” to be. I know nearly nothing of them, except what I’ve been told, so this comment is, of necessity, not as informed as I’d like it to be. I’ve been told that they’re a white racist group with little to recommend them. “diary” is a black racist, with horrifying fantasies, one of which you endorsed I might add. There is no moral distinction between a white racist and a black racist.

        4. It’s been underway for a very long time. I don’t have time for the whole story here, but if you understand things like American history, Marxism, Leftist racism, Eugenics, Naziism, Socialism in general, and all its various strains, Collectivism, and the entire leftist canon, then you understand that what stands in the way of their obtaining and retaining power is the Western ideal of individual freedom and responsibility. We’re preparing an upcoming blog post, whose main idea is: “There is not one single “Big Picture” idea from the political Left that has ever contributed to a successful society. There is not one single “Big Picture” idea from the political right that has ever failed to contribute to a successful society.”

        With a record of failure like that, the Left has to cheat, so they do. We black people have been one of the principal victims of their hunger for power.

        Best,

        — x

      • 1. Okay. So how about we go further. Why not look up violence done in the name of Christianity? I’m sure you’ll stumble on one or two entries.

        2. Diary is not a threat to white civilization, and her feelings toward white folks didn’t come from a vacuum. It was the kind of hate that hate made. Where did the original hate come from?

        3. Why are you so sure that the right is not without their major flaws as well, and why do you think you’d benefit from it as opposed to following your own beliefs as opposed to going left? There is such a thing as independence, a middle of the spectrum that is neither left nor right.

      • 1. I’m happy to, but I already have. Many times. You’ll come up with entries on The Inquisition, and The Crusades. All long in the past. The Crusades were a good thing, but that’s for another time. You do know that you’re engaging in “whatabout-ism,” don’t you? Are you saying that even if Christianity — the flat-out, primary reason for the abolition of slavery — is a bad thing, that excuses violence in the name of Islam? Seriously?

        And, I hope you’re ready to talk about the Inquisition, because I am. 🙂 And, yes, there are other misuses of Christian doctrine in support of evil acts, including slavery. For example, many abolitionists worried that freeing the slaves outright would result in dislocation, poverty and worse suffering than they experienced as slaves. They tried to use Christian teachings as justifications for only gradually eliminating slavery. Things get complicated when you study them in depth, as I have.

        2. Diary is not alone, though, in her thinking. In fact, youtacitly endorsed her obscene fantasy by responding something like, “Yeah, and they’ll probably blame black people for it.” Sorry, BW… it’s right there in black and white in your blog!

        You say that her desire that all white people die a violent death has justification because of some mistreatment in the past? Seriously? In that case, you’re implying that any racism is okay, as long as a person can point to injustice perpetrated against him by a member, or members, of another race. And what possible mistreatment could Diary have experienced that she’d wish for the violent death of more than a billion and a half men, women and children? Serious question.

        I like you a lot, BW, but there is simply no possible justification for Diary’s bloody thought. It’s vile, and you should denounce it for the obscene, psychopathic, horror that it is. Her thought makes Dylann Roof look like a choirboy.

        3. The Right does have major flaws. As follows: (1) Favors the death penalty. (2) Lacks a spine when trying to counter the Left. (3) Favors political expediency over doing what is simply right. (4) Unacceptable levels of corruption. (5) more. All political tendencies have major flaws. Our duty is to study them all in depth to find either the best, or at least the least bad among them. Then, we need to work within that political tendency to try to improve it.

        However, the Left has much worse, and far more, flaws. The political Right is simply a lot better than the political Left. They are not, in any way, perfect. I’d be very happy to have an ideological debate with you some time. My advice: don’t take me up on it. 🙂

        Best,

        — x

      • First, this information is according to what exactly? And you neglect to mention how the KKK claims their “Christians” as a for instance.

        Second, I never justified the killing or genocide of white people. If I ever have, show me exactly where I explicitly supported it.

        Third, you said the left has much worse flaws, but never explained any.

        Fourth, I have to be honest. I think some of the information you’re giving is made up either by you or a website you got them from. I ask for where you got your claims from to read it for myself for further information.

      • 1. Again, I try to resort to commonly-known facts and the historical record. The things I say are in the historical record. About which, by the way, you can’t be selective. If you simply start saying that what I understand to be history is made up, then I can say the same about what youunderstand of history.

        How would you react if I were to say something silly like, “You guys just fabricated slavery to make white people feel guilty. It never really happened”?

        Anyone can make up history, and the Left does that all the time. The things I say are known to, and by, just about everyone.

        Can we say for certain that what we know of the past is true? Of course not! We can’t even say that for sure about our own past! I stick with what most commonly agree is what actually happened. These things have credibility too, because in the entire historical context, they make sense. For example, if I were to deny that slavery existed, how would I explain the fact that there are many currents of historical research that all agree that it did exist. This is the same for people like Holocaust deniers. It’s not only the Jewish people who say that it happened, but numerous other observers. Demographic data seem to bear out that a genocide occurred. In other words, these things have other support than just our ninth-grade history class.

        2. BW: In these pages “diaryofanegress” fantasized about a solar assassination of all white people, along with a bunch of nonsense about “Yurugu.” “Diary’s” quote was: “My wish is for a solar assassination of their nasty, beastiality-loving, pale a##es. By f###ers.
        Don’t let the door hit ya on the way out!
        On second thought…I hope the door hits them real hard.
        ” Your response was, “If it does hit them, they’ll likely blame it on blacks, Hispanics, Jews, and anyone else. lol”. The link is: https://brothawolf.wordpress.com/2014/03/23/the-white-man-march-pffft/#comment-12465 .

        “Diary” unsubtly fantasized for the violent death of all white people, and your reply suggested that you endorse the idea. Sorry, but “diaryofanegress” is just as bad a racist as Dylann Roof. And I don’t see how you could possibly deny it.

        3. I mentioned that I didn’t have time to list all the Left’s flaws, but I’ll give you an overview.
        • Power hunger above all other considerations.
        • Vast corruption.., far worse than on the right (for a lot of interesting historical reasons)
        • Rampant intelllectual laziness
        • A vastly greater tendency to violence than on the Right. Indisputable, by the way.
        • No new ideas in decades. All their “ideas” are re-packaging of other past failed ideas. Serfdom repackaged as “equality,” for example.
        • Corruption of the main means of communication of the values of society: the Entertainment industry, academia, the media
        • Their totalitarian impulse.
        • Greed and racism are hallmarks of the Left more than of the Right. Again for interesting historical reasons.

        To name just a few… many others flow from those basic fundamental flaws of the Left.

        Please, I ask you, point me to one thing I’ve said that is made up.

        Do you deny that in America we fought a Civil War, at least in part to get rid of slavery?

        Do you deny that you have the right to speak your mind in any way?

        Do you deny that you yourself have said how horrible white people have always been to non-white people, but that here they are letting you, and your online friends, accuse them of horrible things?

        Do you deny that it has been the Western white man who implemented things like Affirmative Action, Welfare, Food Stamps, WIC, SNAP, etc.? These are things that represent disproportionate transfers of wealth to poorer black Americans (and, yes, to poorer single white women).

        Do you deny that Western white men — the ones you yourself say run America! — have outlawed any rule, law, practice, regulation or procedure that harms people because of their race? If you do, please point me to just one such rule, law, etc…

        BW: for my part, I agree that there is still racism out there. And that therefore that are white racists out there. I’ve never suggested otherwise. And they represent a problem in America… just not a big one, because there are not enough of them to have a society-wide effect on us.

        There are far more racists among us than among the whites. And we need to address that. And we need to cut it out. If racism is bad, then it’s bad. And there is no excuse for it, especially the fact that others are guilty of it too. Things are forgivable; but often those things are not excusable. Which is precisely why we all need the forgiveness!

        Back to your first point: Many people claimed to be “Christians,” who simply were not. Hitler, for example. Hitler claimed to be a Christian, because he believed, so historians suggest, that it would make him more electorally viable in Germany. The KKK, I’d be willing to wager (but I admit I don’t know for sure about this particular thing) were doing something similar. The 20th Century South was very much a Christian region. I’s becoming less so, unfortunately. I doknow that the racism of the KKK has no part in Christianity as I understand it. Again, lots of people pretend to be something or other.

        However, there are verses in the Koran that order believers to kill “infidels.” This is not in dispute. There is nothing in the New Testament, the foundational document of Christianity, that exhorts anyone to kill anyone else.

        So, now to something else. You’ve often accused me of being someone I’m not. This recent “new BW,” however, doesn’t resemble the other BW with whom I interacted only a few short months ago.

        The style of numbering points, or of listing them as “First,” “Second,” and so on, is not like the other BW at all.

        I noticed the change at the very moment when you came to our blog and suggested that we converse at your place. It was a noticeable difference.

        Also, your style of interaction was very different. From insult, bluster and strawman references, you went abruptly to a highly interrogatory style.

        Your style of writing was a bit different too. You often made interesting word malapropisms — “their” “they’re” for example, of which you now make fewer.

        You’ll note that, until now, I made no mention of any of that.

        could have accused you of turning our interaction over to someone else who, you think, would have had a better chance of showing me the error of my ways than you’ve had so far. However, I didn’t do that, because, simply, I don’t care if you did! 🙂 I enjoy the interaction! I enjoy the back and forth, the chance to learn from others, the possibility that I might be wrong and can get rid of erroneous thinking or viewpoints. Dealing with an Amen Choir is… BORING! I want to learn! If you have turned our interaction over to someone else, oh well. I still like you. And I always have.

        Best,

        — x

      • xPraetorius,

        1. I was expecting a name of a document, book or a link. Something like that. If you don’t have a source, take personal responsibility and just say so. It’s not that hard a question to answer.

        2. Diary is NOWHERE near as dangerous as Dylann Roof. To borrow from how you respond, your comment was completely ridiculous and morally bankrupt.

        3. Western white men aren’t the only most benevolent ones in this part of the world. And they’re not without their cruelty as well, or is that not part of the conservative version of history?

        4. What are these verses in the Quran that you mentioned? (Exact and direct quotes please.) Again, if you have none, just say so. Your belief in personal responsibility demands it.

        5. To be blunt, I’m not here to educated those who don’t want to learn. You only care about information if they’re from a viewpoint similar or the same as yours. I don’t have to prove it, your responses have done that for me. However, I did learn a few things from you, whether you believe it or not.

      • To your Point 1: I don’t often provide links, for oft-stated reasons. I will provide links if I think that it’s useful. As I mentioned, though, it almost always degenerates into Dueling Links, and I find that tedious and useless. As I also mentioned, I try to make reference to things that are pretty well known and accepted. For everything that I say, there is a vast library of support. For everything that you say, there is a vast library of support. Since I know we both agree this is true, there’s no reason to get into dueling links and sources, which then always degenerates into “Your source is no good!” and “No, your source is no good!” That’s also tedious and unproductive. Here, however, is something that should interest you: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V7gN2EYbtgM

        To your Point 2: “Diary” is just as much of a racist as Dylann Roof. Her state of mind is the same as, or worse than, Roof’s. He simply acted on it. Roof only wanted to “start a race war.” Bad enough, but “diary” openly fantasized about wiping out a billion and a half men, women and children.

        To your Point 3: Okay. Show me any other group in history that has ceded so much power, prestige, fame, wealth that it controlled, to those they identified as having less of those things. I’ll be happy to entertain the correction. But, you’ll have to account for the fact that it’s white people who have ceded trillions of their own dollars to people who had fewer dollars. Again, that’s a pretty well-known fact.

        To your Point 4: Two quick things: (1) These verses are easy to find. (here for example: http://www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/quran/violence.aspx. Here’s a quote from it: “The Quran contains at least 109 verses that speak of war with nonbelievers, usually on the basis of their status as non-Muslims. Some are quite graphic, with commands to chop off heads and fingers and kill infidels wherever they may be hiding. Muslims who do not join the fight are called ‘hypocrites’ and warned that Allah will send them to Hell if they do not join the slaughter.”

        And (2) it is well-known that terrorists cite their adherence to Islam as the justification for their atrocities. My other statement stands: there is something in Islam that terrorists take as justification for committing violent atrocities. This is stating the obvious.

        To your Point 5: This is just blowing off steam. I prefer to encounter viewpoints that are different from mine. I would think that my interaction with you would be compelling evidence of that assertion. Let’s face it, I started this interaction years ago… and I’ve stuck with it, despite large amounts of abuse from you and from your commenters. It seems rather obvious that I welcome viewpoints different from mine.

        Now, let’s test your willingness to embrace intellectual growth. Here are a couple of interesting facts for you:

        • There were more European slaves in Africa than there were Africans in America. More than twice as many.

        • At several points in American history, black employment was higher than white employment.

        • Also at one point in American history, the rate of two-parent black family households was higher than for white Americans.

        • The word “slave” comes from the word “slav,” referring to white people who were enslaved for centuries before African slaves were brought to America.

        • White slaves were still being bought and sold in the Islamic world decades after the slaves were freed in the United States.

        • Race and racism were not the cause for slavery.

        The source for those points is the above-linked video by the great Thomas Sowell, one of the most respected economists and thinkers in the world today. Oh, and he’s a black man. He makes mention of the rather obvious notion that the best thing to happen to black people today was that their ancestors were sold into bondage in America.

        Did you know any of that?

        Best,

        — x

      • 1. So, what xPraetorius says is true no matter how much data, evidence, proof of any kind, etc. is produced to counter it and we should just shut up and agree. At least that’s how you sound to us.

        2. Diary is no threat to you or Western white men. So, stop pulling your hair.

        3. The “abuse” you received was due to your actions. Like I said several times, this is about personal responsibility entails. But since you don’t want to take any responsibility, it makes me suspect how you’re not a true conservative as how you blame everyone else for online bullying you start.

        4. All I can say is that your defenses for slavery are devoid of morality even if it was factual. And just because they were made by a black man doesn’t mean I, another black man, should agree, nor does that make them true.

        You swear you don’t like Trump, because you’re sounding a lot like a Trump supporter?

      • To your Point 1: That’s the point! I offer evidence, and you offer… nothing but pretending that I’ve offered no evidence. I did as you asked. I even provided links! I even provided a link that contradicted me! And you still accuse me of ignoring evidence. Do you not realize that you have provided no evidence whatsoever during this conversation? Same with Xena. Same with Herneith. Same with philomage (or whatever) all of whom simply called me names, and “ignored” my challenge to prove me wrong.

        To your Point 2: I never said she was a threat. You should stop fabricating strawmen. She is a racist. That’s plain. You can’t call yourself an “anti-racist” writer if your blog is jam-packed with racism.

        To your Point 3: Interesting. I’m glad you admit that I was subject to abuse. I’m also glad that you recognize that Conservatism is all about, among other things, personal responsibilities. And, again, for what have I not taken any responsibility? I’ve asked you that several times now. Every time you suggested that I did something, I admitted that it was true; that I’d done it. And that it was the right thing to do. Are you upset that we simply disagree about the validity of calling a stupid post stupid? That’s not a refusal to accept responsibility, it’s a disagreement. Your friend Mary called Melania Trump “a whore.” Sorry. That was despicable. And you allowed it on your blog. My editors and I would neverallow that kind of filth on our blog.

        To your Point 4: Ummmmm… the truth has no “morality.” It simply is. I have always said that slavery was an evil thing. That’s the morality in what I’ve always said. Always. No exceptions ever. However, and it’s a big one, without slavery in America, there would be few black people in America. Many of the black Americans who are here wouldn’t even exist, as they were born here, the children of people who met here, who might not have met otherwise.

        To your Point 5: Lol! I’m a Trump supporter when he does the right thing. I’m not a Trump supporter when he does the wrong thing. As I mentioned, I voted for Trump, but he’s not remotely the one I’d choose to be in the Oval Office at this moment. For the moment, we still have Obamacare, and we have a bunch of other non-accomplishments that have failed to unravel the toxic legacy of President Obama. We have some okay declarations in the realm of foreign affairs, and we have an ambitious tax plan that the cowardly right will fail to implement. Absent Gorsuch and the possibility that Trump won’t be as much of a milquetoast as Obama was, we could have had the same thing with Hillary, as well as all her vast raft of corruption. the jury is still out on Trump. I am not a supporter yet. If he can actually resolve the Korea stalemate that has been going on for more than 60 years, then that will be an amazing thing. And, to his credit, he isgoing at it in an entirely new way. Will it work? I hope so!

      • Oh, and I forgot something: I’ve learned from you as well. I’m grateful for that, and you should know it.

        Best,

        — x

      • And here are some more points of view that are different from mine. This guy makes some of the same points, but some different ones as well: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1FO9MqWugY

        The guy indicates that slavery is still practiced in Africa today.

        Hmmmmmmmmmm…

        Best,

        — x

      • I’m starting to understand why you voted for Trump. You and him are a lot alike.

      • Nope. I know him fairly well, but he and I are very dissimilar.

        Best,

        — x

      • No, you two are a lot alike, and you continue to show it.

      • Lol! How would you know that? You know neither of us!

        Again, BW, you can’t read minds!

        Best,

        — x

  5. They will cut off their nose to spite their face. Anything to maintain white supremacy.

    • Herneith: Define “White Supremacy.”

      Now, don’t chicken out on this, as you usually do. Since you use the term, you should be able to show me hundreds of thousands of incidents, situations, circumstances where white people are “supreme.”

      Nothing vague, or airy, or abstract please. Concrete, easy to understand (remember: you think I’m an idiot and racist, so you need to make it easy for my little brain) examples that clearly show what you mean.

      If the roughly 165 million white people in this country have set up a society in which white people are “supreme,” it ought to be easy for you to point to, as I said, hundreds of thousands of examples, rules, laws, policies, practices, incidents, procedures, regulations at all levels…

      I’ll wait.

      Best,

      — x

  6. That is very true. Many white people are always out to defend, deny, and justify racists to hide and deny that racism exists and to hide their own racism. But I believe all or most presidents were racists. Trump is just very open.

    http://www.mysparkingthoughts.com

  7. I’ve noticed that people are attracted to those with characteristics much like their own. Bullies have always been able to attract people who are too cowardly to say and do on their own what the leader does. Or, they can say and do those things while blaming the leader.

    In 2012, there were voters who wanted Chris Christy to run for president because of how he spoke. They wanted him to put Obama in his place. In my opinion, during 2016, those same persons went to Trump because he put the GOP in their place for not putting Obama in his place.

    In a nutshell, it’s about using insults, condescending language, and intimidation to control rather than knowledge, experience, and leadership skills.

    • Lol! This is funny. And, of course, profoundly ignorant.

      Of course, no one here ever would want to put white people “in their place!” Perish the thought. Oh, that’s right… in these very pages, “diaryofanegress” fantasized about all white people dying a violent death. She actually wanted expressed the desire that all white men, women and children would be killed by a “solar assassination!” Thatwould put white people in their place, eh?!?

      BrothaWolf endorsed her whack-a-doodle fantasy. In these very pages!

      Xena: It is indeed possible to want to “put someone in his place,” merely if you disagree with his policies. And that would have nothing to do with race whatsoever.

      For example, I’m a black woman, and I wanted Romney to “put Obama in his place” in 2012. I also wanted Ken Blackwell and Lynn Swann — two black men — to put their loony leftist opponents in their places. What was “their place?” Simple: electoral defeat. And, why? Because I disagreed with Obama’s whacko, left-wing, nut-job policies, and I agreed with Lynn Swann’s and Ken Blackwell’s policies.

      I didn’t get my wishes, and all of America is the poorer for it.

      Best,

      — x

      • Xpraetorius,
        Why are you talking about other people to me? Is that to distract off the subject of the “BGI”? That’s the only issue in your comments that I addressed.

      • I bring up other things if they’re germane.

        Best,

        — x

      • I understand now. You criticize this blog and others because you want to aggravate those participating here so they will stop participating, and not participate on the other blogs that you criticize.

        It’s easy to ignore your comments. You’re not the only person here, and this isn’t the only post.

      • @Xena: don’t fall into the typical trap of the Race Grievance Industry. You can’t read minds.

        I’ll tell you why I do things? Then you’ll know why I come here. As I always do, I’ll extend the same courtesy to you. Okay?

        Yes, it’s easier to ignore my comments than to rebut them, which no one here seems to be able to do.

        If you think that my ideas and thoughts are wrong, then why don’t you simply tell me why? That ought to be easy if what most here says is true.

        Best,

        — x

      • Xpraetorius,
        You asked:

        “If you think that my ideas and thoughts are wrong, then why don’t you simply tell me why?”

        Because I see you as being nothing more than a troll.

      • Xena is under no obligation to do what you want, xPraetorius, especially given your deplorable commenting habits. Honestly, I wonder how old you really are.

      • Lol! And you can’t provide any incandescent evidence to prove a mere ignorant troll wrong? Wow! That’s pretty sad.

        Surely you can find something! I mean you’ve accused people of some terrible things! I’d never do that!

        If I were accusing someone, or someones, of something really bad, I’d be darned sure to have all manner of evidence to support the accusation.

        Or else I wouldn’t make the accusation.

        Best,

        — x

      • We could, and I have. You just don’t consider it valid. So, why try when you’ll shoot it down anyway?

        As a matter of fact, we’re no longer talking about the subject, but dealing with you and your snowflakey habits of responding like a petulant child. It’s getting sad really, but you’ll just continue with whining, the same kind you accuse liberals of. Maybe you’re more like a liberal in personality than you would like to admit. lol

      • Lol! Good snark, BW!

        BW: let’s be very sure about something. I’m simply calling you out on inappropriate behavior that you and others of your commenters have engaged in on your blog. You’ve never hurt my feelings. Not even once.

        Best,

        — x

      • You’e accused people of being “BGI” which is a terrible thing. What’s worst is that you want to take credit for coining that. One reason why you are a troll is that you failed to respond to whether or not you’re Sundance. I was there back then when he introduced the theory and coined the term.

        So prove me wrong about you — tell us when you developed that theory and coined the term? At least give us the year.

      • Lol! I don’t believe I’ve ever accused anyone of being “BGI.” That’s kind of the point, isn’t it?

        have spoken and written extensively of the RGI. The Race Grievance Industry.

        There are no reasons I’m a troll, because I’m not a troll. I’m simply someone who disagrees with much of what is written on this blog, and I provide countervailing opinions.

        I did mention that I’m not “Sundance.” I’m not sure where, but it’s in this thread. I have no idea who that is.

        Again, I don’t need to prove you wrong about me, you should address my thoughts and ideas. I couldn’t care less whether or not you believe that I coined the term RGI. I docare about ideas and facts and learning and knowledge.

        Best,

        — x

      • Re:

         “Lol! I don’t believe I’ve ever accused anyone of being “BGI.” That’s kind of the point, isn’t it?”

        In order for you to believe that theory, you must believe there are people doing what it accuses them of doing, for the motives they are accused of having.

      • As I mentioned, the term “BGI” or ‘Black Grievance Industry” never appears in our content on our blog. It required only a 15-second search to find that out.

        Best,

        — x

      • @Xena: So, I went and checked out your accusation. I found that in this post here: https://brothawolf.wordpress.com/2017/09/24/opinion-supporting-trump-probably-means-you-share-his-traits/#comment-23570 , I said, “I am not Sundance.”

        You accuse me of being a troll based on the allegation that I “failed to respond to whether or not” I’m Sundance.

        You plainly failed to read what I wrote. Classic troll behavior. If you’re looking for an internet troll, Xena, go look in the mirror.

        Best,

        — x

      • XP, maybe I don’t read all you write because I won’t take time to put on hip boots to wade through your off-issue diatribes.

      • Lol! A simple truth: you can’t know that unless you read them. Honestly, Xena, you catch yourself every time in the traps you try to set!

        You’ve admitted that you don’t fully inform yourself, and that you don’t read other points of view. Wow! Frankly, I’d neveradmit that if it were true! I have to admire your courage for copping to it though!

        Then, someone else in this thread admitted that he of she “doesn’t debate with racists” … exactly the sort of people with whom everyone most needs to debate!

        BW has said — numerous times! (though not in this thread) — that “I’ll never change his mind! Wow! Even true things, if I wrote them, wouldn’t change his mind? Again, something I wouldn’t admit openly!

        It’s hard to see how people with these states of mind are not a big part of the problem!

        Best,

        — x

      • xPraetorius, that’s enough, okay?

      • Okay.

        Best,

        — x

      • XP,
        Re:

        “Lol! A simple truth: you can’t know that unless you read them. Honestly, Xena, you catch yourself every time in the traps you try to set!

        I don’t know what a mall store sells unlike I walk in,but it doesn’t take long to know whether or not I want to be a customer. Certainly, I’m not going to ask for the manager or go to customer service and complain about their merchandise, especially when I’m not buying what they’re selling. There are other stores.

        With some folks, such as yourself, there is no need to walk in. The sign tells me that there’s nothing inside worth spending my time on.

      • Again, bad example. A store is not like a body of thought. You know what a perfume store sells before you walk in. You, however, are — I’m willing to bet — widely uninformed about a massive current of American thought, and seem content to remain that way. Nothing I’d be proud of, Xena.

        Best,

        — x

      • xPraetorius,

        What’s the point in asking or, in your case demanding, people for proof or a response only to have you shoot it down and be condescending?

        That’s enough with the insults. And you wonder – or pretend to wonder – why people are hostile towards you.

      • Nope. I don’t wonder why people are hostile toward me, I know why they’re hostile toward me. I simply suggest that they not be. There’s no good reason for it. Sorry.

        Best,

        — x

      • No. You’re just a sociopath, starting hostility and pretending to be the victim. No different than how the alt-right behaves.

      • Again, I’ve never pretended to be a victim. You know that.

        I thought you were going to stop name-calling.

        Best,

        — x

      • You base your whole blog as being a victim, or rather on white men being victims.

      • Of course not. I’ve never made that claim, and I don’t intend to now.

        What I’ve said is that black Americans are not nearly the victims they claim to be in America today.

        That you are a racist, and that you allow anti-white racists to expound their hatred on your blog, doesn’t mean that the target of their hatred is a victim. This is not difficult to understand.

        My point is, and has long been, that we, as black people, need to stop depending on constant accusations of racism, when we’re more guilty of racism than white people.

        We need to look to our own community; to cleaning it up, to getting rid of drugs and violence ourselves, to demanding that black men stay with and support the mothers of their children, to rejecting welfare as condescending and offensive, to embrace real, substantive education as the way to seize opportunity in America.

        No, white people are not victims, and they have very little victim mentality. We’re overwhelmed by a victim mindset in a country that has placed unprecedented opportunity for success in front of us! But we way too frequently just sit there, saying, “No, we won’t go after it, because the system is rigged against us!” Completely ignoring the example of so many others who did seize the opportunity and encountered no more obstacles in their path than anyone else.

        Look at President Obama. It’s impossible to say that he encountered any more obstacles than anyone else. Sorry, but obstacles were cleared for him, as they are for almost any black person who makes an honest effort.

        Best,

        — x

      • On the contrary, black people don’t have that victim mentality the way you believe. Black people have and continue to overcome adversity whenever it was presented to them. We know there are odds stacked against us, but we, as a people, have never backed down.

      • The point of asking for proof is simple: If you make a serious accusation against someone, you’d better have some serious proof of it. In fact, you should demand it of yourself. It’s common decency

        You haven’t offered me any proof, You’ve offered anecdote after anecdote, none of which can be applied to the greater American population.

        You finally produced some big picture statistics, and it was… from Ben and Jerry.

        I could go out and find something that seem authoritative from any of a bunch of highly questionable sources too!

        Ben and Jerry’s web site, and Demos, are as legitimate as sources as the KKK.

        You’re not being serious.

        Best,

        — x

      • But you would always dismiss them. You ask for them and then dismiss them. To you, there is no proof, but you keep asking for it over and over again like a maniac and continue to reject them like a total jack**s.

        And the National Review, Fox News and the Drudge Report are more credible sources, huh? LOL

      • Thank you for that. Yes, National Review is a more credible source. Of course!

        However, you just proved my point. As soon as I point to a feature in National Review, you rejected the source. As I knew you would.

        You pointed to a source from Demos. I rejected it. And thatvery neatly proves my point that playing dueling sources is fruitless.

        Better to use original thinking. That’s why I regularly propose thought exercises for you, and, I guess, why you regularly ignore them. 🙂

        Best,

        — x

      • You rejected my source. I rejected yours. You considered yours credible. I considered mine credible. You see the point yet?

      • XP,
        Now you’re playing stupid. Tell you what — you spend your time looking for blogs to troll, and I’m spend my time sharing with those I care about.

      • Lol! Again, I’ll have the chicken. 🙂

        Best,

        — x

      • XP,
        Re:

        “BW has said — numerous times! (though not in this thread) — that “I’ll never change his mind! Wow! Even true things, if I wrote them, wouldn’t change his mind? “

        It is true that a skunk’s spray stinks. If you own a skunk for a pet doesn’t mean that you’re changing anyone’s mind to own one.

        There is belief, and then there is knowing. Maybe you have the two confused.

      • To xPraetorius, if it was said by a conservative, it’s unquestionably true.

      • Can you ever make an analogy that makes sense, Xena? I appreciate the attempts, but do try to come up with something that makes sense, won’t you?

        Best,

        — x

      • XP,
        If you’re referring to the analogy of cooking and being invited to dinner at the homes of others, then I’m sorry you have not had that experience to understand.

      • Lol! Well, then since you’re inviting, I guess I’ll have the chicken. (Note how nicely teed up for some excellent snark. Are you up to it Xena?)

        Best,

        — x

      • XP,
        Re:
        <blockquote?” If you’re looking for an internet troll, Xena, go look in the mirror.”

        If that’s an invitation to your blog, no thanks. I comment on blogs that share in agreement my interests. You won’t find me “trolling” on blogs if I disagree with their interests or the issue/topic of their post(s).

  8. Mary Burrellsaid:

    Trumpanzees using so called patriotism to hide what is racism.

    • Lol! So when white people called black people “monkeys,” that was racism, but when Mary refers to (presumably) white people as monkeys, that’s just okay.

      Our black racists, like Mary, are worse than the white ones, because there are more of them among us than among whites, and they are ignorant of their own racism.

      And Mary did it in right in her own post! She uses a racist slur to accuse someone else of being a racist!

      It would be difficult to find a clearer example of what I’ve been saying than this one!

      Brava, Mary! For producing ringing evidence — and a great teachable moment for anyone willing to learn from Mary’s incandescent ignorance — of your own racism!

      Best,

      — x

      • Funny. I never recall black people kidnap and enslave Europeans, strip them of their names, culture and history, put them through harsh labor with no pay, created scientific falsehoods that generalize them as docile, savage and best enslaved, captured or dead, segregated them from us while we’ve obtained a disproportionate amount of wealth through their labor, send them to live in sub-standard communities with bad housing, schools and other facilities, create a so-called “war on drugs” and lash out at them when they experience any and all kinds of racism institutional and personal and tell them that they’re making it up just to get free stuff.

      • BW, you do know, don’t you, that it wasn’t white people who kidnapped Africans to bring them to America, don’t you? It was black Africans who kidnapped them and sold them to white slavers.

        This does not excuse the white slavers, but slavery in the new world couldn’t have happened without the active cooperation of black Africans.

        If there is something called “institutional racism,” then you should be able to show me thousands of concrete examples of what that means. There’s no such thing as “institutional racism.”

        Like those other clever fabrications — “White Supremacy,” and “White Privilege” —
        “institutional racism” is an airy, ethereal abstraction which, because it means anything anyone wants it to mean, it really means nothing, and it can’t be proven, disproven or falsified. It’s meaningless.

        In America if you have a grievance, a real grievance, you have recourse.

        Yes, years ago, the American Left fabricated a bunch of pseudo-scientific cr*p about us. You’ll note, that white people, along with us, got rid of the practices.

        Please, please, please pay attention! That same pseudo-scientific hooey is coming back! It’s coming from the people screaming about how much they want to “help us.”

        As far as “sending us” to various places, this is America. No one can “send us” anywhere, and they haven’t been able to do that for more than a hundred years.

        As far as the “war on drugs” is concerned, there is a simple truth. A very simple truth: No one is ever forced to take drugs. No one. There is nothing that anyone can force you to do.

        As far as free stuff is concerned, it’s simply true. The Left offered a faustian bargain to black Americans, that we never had to accept, and that was: “if you vote for us, we’ll give you free stuff, emotional validation and excuses for failure. Again, we didn’t have to take that poisonous bargain, but so many of us did.

        You do realize, don’t you, that we vote Democrat sometimes more than 90% of the time?!? That’s North Korea levels! Only we do it voluntarily! What kind of whacked out garbage is that?!? If you wonder why the corrupt Democrats take us for granted, and screw us over time and time again, well you shouldn’t.

        Best,

        — x

      • And you said that you want to learn, but your responses show you’re not willing to learn anything. Not even most right wingers are that closed minded. Again, you’re showing you’re not really as conservative as you claim you are.

      • Brothawolf,
        The “but I want to learn” is a demonstration of passive-aggressive behavior. It is used in cultism. I remember having a Jehovah’s Witness come to my home and after some back and forth, say that she wanted to learn what I believe. I asked her if she would attend a Bible study where I could teach her. OH NO! That wasn’t allowed. Only she could teach me. Then she looked in her concordance for verses about teaching, which was a direct distraction from her statement that SHE wanted to learn what I believe.

        It’s the same psychological maneuvers that are essentially designed to distract and take control. . As long as the target listens, the person will continue because they think you are giving them power.

      • Speaking of learning: Did you even watch the two links I sent you?

        And, again, I thank you for admitting that Conservatives are not closed-minded. You really are evolving, BW! Those are some very nice things to say about Conservatives.

        As far as “learning” is concerned, did you see my final points in the other long reply that I made to you?

        Did you know that there were twice as many European slaves in Africa as there were African slaves in America?Interesting, eh? Kind of puts things in a different light, doesn’t it?

        Did you also notice that I don’t constantly accuse you of stuff? Try it sometime.

        Best,

        — x

  9. Mary Burrellsaid:

    The “dotard” and toddler in chief

  10. Mary Burrellsaid:

    Calling black athletes SOB’s and he is the husband of a whore.

    • Wow! Now that was despicable! Low even for Mary’s generally dismal output!

      BW: I think it’s safe to say that this is one of those really stupid posts of which I spoke. And, really, there shouldn’t be any debate about it.

      I know that my editors and I would never allow this kind of repugnant filth on our blog. Not ever.

      Best,

      — x

      • xPraetorius,

        I could say that a lot of what you write in general is stupid and not explain why fully, but I refuse.

      • BW: you often say that what I write in general is stupid, and you never explain fully why. You are aware, aren’t you, that I challenge you to do that on a regular basis; rather than trying to guess who I am, and questioning my motives and/or character.

        Lately, you’ve been a lot better, but you’ve never explained why you think what I write is wrong, other than to say it’s wrong. Then, of course, you accuse me of denying racism (which I’ve never done), or of trying to minimize people’s experiences (which I’ve never done), or the like.

        I challenge you regularly to give me real, concreteexamples of the hatred, hostility and resentment in which you insist America is awash. If it is awash in that, then you ought to be able to point me to thousands of examples.

        Best,

        — x

      • “…You accuse me of denying racism (which I’ve never done), or of trying to minimize people’s experiences (which I’ve never done), or the like.”

        You continue to say how racism against blacks is no longer a major issue. Now, you want to continue with this merry-go-round?

        Why can’t you look for examples of such hatred, hostility and resentment? Isn’t that being lazy, something that conservatives, especially Trump supporters, accuse black people of being?

      • Lol! BW: No one accuses black people of being lazy. Don’t make things up.

        Best,

        — x

      • I’m not.

      • Since no one accuses black people of being lazy, then, yes, you are making things up.

        Best,

        — x

      • That’s according to you, and you haven’t given anyone a reason to fully listen to you, as now, it seems you’re no longer debating or arguing but crying for attention.

      • How many times have I suggested that you stop speculating as to my motives? You don’t even have to… I’ll be happy to tell them to you!

        However, it is a simple fact that no one accuses black people of being lazy. Okay, okay… no one of any prominence has said it publicly. I can’t speak for what people say in their private time.

        You also, I believe (I’m writing this from the WordPress comments editor, not at your blog) accused Trump of having said that black Americans are lazy. He has never said that.

        We Republicans are constantly accused of having done or said things that never happened. As has happened to me several (thousand) times here. 🙂

        You accuse me of “no longer debating,” but I should note that you haven’t done anything that resembles “debating” for many posts!

        Best,

        — x

      • Because it’s gotten to the point of no longer talking to you but pacifying you, because you’re acting like an angry white male with attention issues right now.

      • Lol! Let’s be honest about one thing, BW: You’ve never, ever, ever, not once, ever tried to “pacify” me!

        That’s one of the funnier things I’ve read!

        Best,

        — x

      • I tried, but it didn’t work. So, I had you removed.

      • You had me removed because you had no argument to counter what I said. I’m okay with that, but you should have the honesty to admit it.

        You know one thing for certain, BW: if you’re polite to me, I’m polite to you. At all times.

        Best,

        — x

      • Now, look who’s trying to read minds.

      • Good point! You’re learning!

        I retract the statement. However, two things are true (1) you didn’t have any real arguments to counter what I was saying, and (2) if what you say is why you banned me, then you were wrong.

        As you well know: if you’re polite with me, I’m unfailingly polite with you.

        Best,

        — x

      • That’s according to what you think and feel, and again, I said it was your conduct. You chose to decide what the reason was but refused to accept mine. And why not act polite in order to get the same treatment in return.

      • I always act politely… until someone comes at me like Xena or philomage, who attacked me, not what I wrote. I never attack the person, until, that is, he or she attacks me.

        Yes, I do criticize comments that are stupid. Because they’re, well, stupid.

        So far, BW, in this thread along:

        • Xena has confessed that she doesn’t read what people who disagree with her write… things that are expressly written for her! She then responds to it, as if she could remotely be qualified to.
        • Xena has confessed that she tries to hang around only with people who hold viewpoints congenial to hers. Remember what I’ve often said about echo chambers?
        • One can conclude only that Xena engages in that characteristic behavior of the Left and the RGI: active, aggressive ignorance.
        • Philomage has confessed that he (she?) doesn’t debate with racists… the very people he should debate! If only to be able to freakin identify them correctly!
        • You yourself, BW, admitted that “there’s nothing that will change your mind.” Your very words. Not the words or state-of-mind of a scholar interested in the truth, that’s for sure!
        • I’ve presented to you scholarly evidence, from highly respected people, of things that very few people know about the African experience in America, and asked for your comment. No response.
        • I even gave you a link to a video that presented information against what I’ve been saying.
        • You presented me with a link to an essay to which I gave a comprehensive response. In that response, I agreed with some of the essay, and exposed other parts of it as fraudulent. Your response to my response? Nothing. Despite pointed questions about the obvious problem with the “median income” statistics in the essay.
        • I gave you more than a dozen facts that, at least on the surface, indict the general RGI state-of-mind in America, and asked for your reaction. No response.
        • You regularly dig up strawmen that prove that you’re not taking this seriously at all. Things like pretending that I’m claiming that white people are victims. A claim I never made, and one that I would never make. Because it’s not true. Furthermore, you accused me — frequently! — of suggesting that white racism doesn’t exist. Another claim that not only did I not make, but I often stated exactly the opposite!White racism ,b>does exist… it’s just not that big a problem anymore.

        BW: I think you might be right. Apparently the condition of race relations in America is just not that important to you. I might be better off finding people who actually take race relations seriously enough to make the effort required to inform themselves, and to discuss it seriously.

        I stated an obvious fact: If you are going to accuse someone, or someones, of some very serious wrongdoing, then you had better have a bunch of clear, convincing facts ready at hand, or else you’re showing you don’t know what you’re talking about. And when you accuse someone or someones of serious wrongdoing, and you don’t know what you’re talking about, you’re doing a profoundly bad thing.

        You’re doing precisely what we condemned white people for doing so long ago! And, in a great triumph for human rights, we made them stop it. Now, who’s going to make us stop it? Or are we going to have the self-respect, the moral conscience, the common decency to stop it ourselves? I don’t have a lot of optimism in that regard.

        Furthermore, you might be right. It’s not very challenging or interesting to debate with people who don’t really know what they’re talking about.

        I know you’re getting ready to banish me again, and I guess I care a lot less than I used to.

        You might have finally done it, BW! With your strawmen, your inability, or unwillingness, to respond to facts, logic and reason, your racism, and your friends’ racism, you might actually have ridded yourself of me all without having to resort to cowardly banishment! I’ll have to consider whether it’s worth it to hang around in a den of racists and closed-minded people, who work hard to stay ignorant, and to avoid opposing viewpoints. I’ll let you know what conclusion I come to.

        Best,

        — x

      • Mary called a woman she has never met, whose husband Mary doesn’t like, a whore. I’m sorry, but that’s despicable. That’s dirty, filthy, repugnant and disgusting. And you should be man enough to call Mary on it.

        Posts like Mary’s are a test. You need to pass that test in order not to tarnish your own writing and thinking.

        Best,

        — x

      • Let me remind you that this is my blog. Don’t tell me what to do on my own blog. And perhaps if you weren’t acting like a snowflake, the name you refer to liberals, you wouldn’t be treated like a troll here. Personal responsibility, or is that something everyone else should adhere to except you like Tim Murphy who was supposedly against abortion but urged his lover to have one.

      • Now, that’s the BW I’d come to know. Petty, defensive, derisive.

        It is your blog, and if you continue to allow racist garbage on it, you really cheapen its value as a vehicle of self-expression. We don’t allow it on our blog, and it has kept the riff-raff and the idiots out.

        The flaws of anyone have no bearing on the truth, or not, of what they say. Surely you know that by now, BW!

        Best,

        — x

      • Like the old saying goes, if this blog is that much troubling to you, why not leave and be done with it?

        You won’t, because for reasons unknown, you’re obsessed with me and this blog.

      • Reasons are not unknown. I like you. I think I’ve made that clear.

        Best,

        — x

      • Is this how you treat people you like in real life?

      • If you mean: “Am I honest with them?” Of course I am! What kind of friend would I be if I were dishonest with them?!?

        Best,

        — x

      • You have the patience of Job to go this long.

  11. Let me say and pray for the good people of Puerto Rico,the U.S. Virgin Islands, the rest of the Caribbean that have been effected by Hurricanes Irma and Maria,Mexico and my continued prayers for the people in Houston and Florida.

    Its also sad and pathetic how 45 is more concerned about a game than he is about the lives that have been effected by the hurricanes and earthquakes. Man..what a crying shame! but why should people hold their breath for him? He has no heart,racist and xenophobic. I’ve been trying to find out who is the worst president / dictators in the world. I’ve tried..lord knows I tried . I have never seen a president..and even dictator.. being that loud,idiotic and without a strategy. Just unbelievable.

    Far as the sporting world? Though I’m glad the players took their knees/ wrapped their arms around each other in solidarity for Colin and equality, I wished they would have just not played at all. Why play games for people who could care if they’re dead or alive. It makes them look like slaves.Guess what? NASCAR is taking 45s proposal a step further.. from the top dogs to the low level workers.According to Richard Petty..if any of his workers plan on taking knees or not stand or the flag ,they will be fired. Who watches NASCAR anyway? but its wrong for them to be threatened like that.

  12. Mary Burrellsaid:

    Listening to Chauncey DeVaga podcast. People don’t understand how dangerous Trump and this administration is he’s responsible for these evil nazi white supremacist groups and his administration is trying to kill poor working class citizens by taking away their healthcare. You see there is a crisis in Puerto Rico and Virgin Islands from the hurricanes and he doesn’t care. All he can do is Tweet. He’s a malignant narcissistic sociopath. This is how Hitler got started these stupid people better pay attention.

  13. Mary Burrellsaid:

    Wolf, you are correct that they showed who they were with Obama. And this is why Trump is in office because of Obama. Trump is so sick and psychotic he’s fixed on Obama. Tearing down everything Obama put in place. So now he’s going to make us pay.

  14. Mary Burrellsaid:

    Trump is what “smart ” is to “dumb ” asses.

  15. Brothawolf,
    Regarding the voluntary sharing of one’s race and/or gender, it might be an attempt to gain credibility and acceptance. For example, after the subject person said he is Black, he commented to me and not having gained credibility with me, he said that he is a woman. She is seeking some commonality that will gain her acceptance and give her credibility.

    That in itself is a practiced form of influence and at times, infiltration. It is also a form of attempted, competitive, superiority over others.

    • Lol! In other words, you have nothing to say to the arguments I made. Nice attempt to deflect, Xena!

      So, do you have any proof that I’m not black? That I’m not a woman?

      If not, why don’t you try to address what I said, and ignore the irrelevance of who I am?

      Are you that devoid of actual, substantive counter-claims that you don’t even try? If so, then why would you make the claims you do, if you’re unable to back them up? Or, are your ideas just not that important to you?

      Best,

      — x

      • I thought you were going to move on from arguing about your identity.

      • Arguments? You must misunderstand your criticisms as “arguments.”

        You voluntarily stated your race and then later, voluntarily stated your gender. Each time, you tried using it to establish a semblance of credibility after you came across as one holding to white supremacist ideologies.

      • Lol! Again, you fall into the trap of the RGI and the Left in general. You can’t read minds, Xena! No matter how much you want to think you can.

        I’ll tell you what ideology, or ideologies, I hold, okay? And, again, I’ll extend to you the very same courtesy.

        Your responses are weak tea indeed, Xena! Surely you can do better than questioning my character or my motives.

        Again, to state the obvious, if what most people here say is true, then it should be easy as pie to refute what I saywithout resorting to the desperate dodge of questioning my character and motives.

        Best,

        — x

      • You ever thought how your responses can warrant such comments from other people? I guess not.

      • Nope. My comments never merit abuse of my character or intellect.

        Abuse of the post itself? Absolutely! I encourage it! Heck, I’ve practically begged the people here to address my comments! How many times? Hundreds? Seems like it!

        However, I wouldn’t lower myself to engage in the rampant personal attacks that you get here. You should suggest that to Herneith too.

        I do sympathize, though, BW… if you were to tell your most frequent commenters that they couldn’t resort to racism, substanceless flapdoodle, or paranoid, whack-a-doodle rants, then most of them wouldn’t have anything to say. It’d get real quiet around here all of a sudden! 🙂

        Best,

        — x

      • Xpraetorius,
        When you stated “BGI” then changed that to “RGI” then changed it to “American Grievance Industry” and in support of those theories, you told me your ideologies.

        As I challenged your claim to have been the person coining those theories, you decided to voluntarily say you are Black, as if that was to give you some measure of credibility.

        When I challenged your coining claim again, you voluntarily claimed to be a woman, as if that was to give you some measure of credibility.

        That’s not reading minds. Rather, it’s observing your demonstrated behavior.

        What you have said here, at least to me, is nothing more than your opinions. Unlike you, I’m not one to challenge the opinions of others in attempt to persuade them towards my opinions. I had one thing to say to you, and that is the foundation behind the “BGI” theory. You skipped, danced, and jumped around that.

        That is all. You are dismissed.

      • “That’s not reading minds. Rather, it’s observing your demonstrated behavior.”

        Bingo!

      • Brothawolf,
        Maya Angelou said something about believing people when they show you what they are the first time. 🙂

      • Lol! That’s a lot of words just to say that you give in.

        At some point you accused me of being a white man. You made some attempt to dismiss my thinking because of that. I pointed out that it was an illegitimate thing to do, and besides I’m neither white nor a man.

        Don’t forget, if I wanted to avoid abuse from black people, as a black woman, I could simply give in and go live on the RGI plantation, as so many black women do.

        Whenever I interact with other people online, I’m accused — especially at the so-called “black” web sites — nearly immediately of being a white man. So, yes, I might be a little bit defensive when I get called what I always get called. It doesn’t change that it’s wrong to do it to me. 🙂 It further doesn’t change that after the initial defensiveness… I get over it and I don’t care. And then I do enjoy pointing out how idiotic it is to pursue my skin color and sex.

        You have to realize, Xena, that the RGI is so completely wedded to the idea that those big, bad, ol’ white men are out to get us that they can’t help it.

        About my ideology, I’ve never made any secret that I’m a Conservative, You should be one too. It’s where the intelligent and cool kids go to hang out.

        Oh, as for coining RGI, yes I did it. Someone else may have done it before me, and that’s okay. It doesn’t change the fact that I’d never heard the term before I coined it. I have no pride of authorship, so if you want to think the other guy did it, that’s fine with me. 🙂

        Best,

        — x

      • No XP, I never accuse anyone of being any particular race. What I shared was about the foundation of the BGI theory.

        By the way, you still didn’t give us the year that you purportedly coined “RGI.”

      • @Xena… I did a little bit more research for you. Never does the term “Black Grievance Industry” appear in the content of our blog. It might be somewhere in the comments, but at no point did any of our writers make use of the term.

        Yes, we did coin the term “American Grievance Industry,” and we mentioned the various subsets of that sprawling industry, such as the RGI, the GGI (Gay) and other GGI (Gender), etc. (here: https://praetori.wordpress.com/?s=%22American+grievance+industry%22)

        So, now you’re guilty of falsely accusing someone of something. More typical troll behavior! Wow! And you call me a troll?

        That’s a whole lot of projection!

        Best,

        — x

      • XP,
        Semantics again?

        I don’t know what’s on your blog. It is my policy not to visit/read the blogs of those on opposing sides unless someone (other than the blogger) gives me good reason to. The best reason is because they posted a comment and was attacked, and need me to read so I can understand their emotion, whether sadness, disgust, anger, etc.

      • In other words, you make a conscious effort not to inform yourself? Very left-ish of you! 🙂

        Seriously, though, why, then, would you pronounce yourself on issues of which you just admitted you are less than completely informed?

        Best,

        — x

      • At least she’s being honest about it. You, on the other hand seem too prideful to admit your own ignorance and you bash others when they respond.

        But anyway, move on already.

      • Lol! BW: Please give me one example where I show any ignorance.

        In fact, I’ve done nothing but give you examples, history, facts, statistics, logic, thought exercises, a link that supported my point of view, as well as one that opposed my point of view.

        BW, I like you, but now you’re just making things up. I plainly know more than you about American and other history. Your calling me ignorant is like calling Shaquille O’Neal short.

        Best,

        — x

      • I have ever since you dropped in, but as usual, you won’t listen and doubled down. So, I’m moving on.

      • XP,
        Re:

        “In other words, you make a conscious effort not to inform yourself? Very left-ish of you! 🙂

        See, it’s like this. When I’m in my kitchen throwing down, preparing a homemade meal, I don’t care what others are doing their kitchens. When I’m invited to dinner and the food is delicious, I say so and me and the cook exchange ideas. When I’m invited to dinner and the food is horrible, I don’t want to know what the cook did to ruin it. And, I turn down future invitations.

        Blogs and other forms of social media are not the only sources of information, just like recipe books are not the only sources on how to prepare a dish.

        When it comes to political issues, I contact my legislatures and/or senators. There is no need for me to read what conservative lay people are saying because the power is in the kitchen, so to speak.

        You should take a look around at blogs other than those you want to attack. You will find that there are bloggers who report. Some write editorials, and some write about their personal lives. That’s variety. It’s diversity. It’s being informed about things and PEOPLE I care about.

        I prefer discussing issues with people I care about, rather than getting into pissing matches with skunks.

      • Lol! Poor attempt at snark, Xena! However, credit for having made the attempt! The comparison is silly and there is only a tenuous connection between the two things.

        There is so much wrong with your post that honor compels me to point it all out. Here is is in all easy to understand bullet points:

        • There’s always reason to check in with those who disagree with one. Duh! This is such a basic truth that I’m shocked I have to say it.

        • You have no idea, and no possibility of knowing, what blogs I visit, or study. I’m shocked I’d have to say that as well.

        • Variety and Diversity have no intrinsic value. Truth has intrinsic value. Again, this is obvious. It is worth it to avoid, say, Nazi web sites. You, however have no indication that I’m a Nazi, only someone whose thinking you seem incapable of refuting. That makes you more ignorant than I, and that makes you less informed than I. Apparently, I must hang around more information sources than you.

        • Being informed about only people you care about is… ignorance. I choose not to be ignorant.

        • I love discussing with people who disagree with me, even with people I don’t like. It’s important to get out of one’s comfort zone from time to time, Xena. You should try it. See if you can do it without acting like a petulant little child as you’ve done here. 🙂

        Best,

        — x

      • xPraetorius,

        You’re trying so hard to provoke others, and there’s only so much one can take from someone with an apparent lack of online decorum. You’ve successfully made this topic about you and your compulsive need to be right all the time while making others feel stupid or low.

        This is the kind of behavior that lead you being banned from Abagond and my blog. That is why Xena, Abagond and myself considered you a troll, because that’s how trolls operate.

        I’ve been more than nice to you than you were to me and the commenters, but I guess that’s not how you right wingers see as being “truly American” as you’ve been acting like a fascist, lie peddling blowhard of an angry white male who wants to push someone over the edge deliberately due to his(her) unresolved sociopathic issues with the maturity level of an elementary school kid.

        My blog was initially designed to get away from people like you, those who claim to love America so much and think this is the greatest nation in the world.

        Here’s the truth: most black people from both sides of the spectrum love America. Women love America. The LGBT community loves America. Immigrants from south of the border love America as you implied as to the sentiment they have coming here. Liberals love America. And yes, Muslims love America. Each of these groups are more patriotic than you want to admit, and they don’t allow any adversity to stop them from working hard and succeeding. They are against hate and ignorance, And they’re every bit as patriotic as conservatives.

        Your constant bashing of them, on the other hand, is un-American and un-Patriotic. So, it makes me wonder if you truly love America, or is that a front to advance an agenda.

      • XP,
        If I was limited to a “comfort zone,” I would not be communicating with you.

        Are you doing this with the hope that other participants will not want to comment because they don’t like your stench?

      • You’re not communicating with me. You’re being a classic internet troll. You’re plainly devoid of any substantive arguments or you’d use them. Instead, all you do is spout invective and cheap insults.

        “Don’t like your stench…” Lol! Anger management issues much, Xena? Are you always this thin-skinned? No wonder you whine so much!

        I told you why I’m “doing this,” ie communicating with people who disagree with me. Do you have literacy problems?

        Oh, that’s right, I forgot for a moment. You admitted you don’t read what those who differ with you write. You admitted that you’re aggressively ignorant. I’m sure you’ll retract that now, though… now that you’ve been called out on it.

        Now, you have to admit: that’s some good snark, Xena! 🙂

        Best,

        — x

      • XP,
        Bye troll. There are other posts and other blogs calling my name.

      • Chicken. 🙂

        Best,

        — x

    • Are you insinuating xprae is full of shit? LOL!

      • Wow! Clever, H! Do you have anything to contribute that a first-grader couldn’t add?

        Best,

        — x

      • But you respond in the same manner though.

      • It was merited, no? And it was actually pretty clever. And, you have to admit, it was accurate.

        If you’re going to pretend that it’s a constructive contribution to your blog to suggest that someone is “full of sh*t,” then you have no cause to complain if I were to call someone an idiot. It’s a lot tamer than “full of sh*t.”

        I hope you’re not going to suggest that it’s okay for those who agree with you to be jerks, but not for anyone else!

        Best,

        — x

      • Herneith,
        No insult to waste. LOL! At least it’s something that has passed through the body that the body did not need nor digest. I don’t think XP has any potential benefit to sustaining life to be passed out. She’s more like poison. Seriously. It makes me wonder if she has shared on the profile of her own blog that she’s a Black woman? If she doesn’t think it’s beneficial there, why here?

  16. Re:

    “BW, you do know, don’t you, that it wasn’t white people who kidnapped Africans to bring them to America, don’t you?”

    I’m going to interject myself into this question. It was White Europeans who paid Africans to capture other Africans for the slave trade. Africans didn’t have ships to transport people to other continents, did they? It’s kinda like the Mafia in America. They have hence men to do their dirty work so in the end they can blame others; such as Blacks for running Policy and Mexicans for smuggling drugs.

    No matter how Africans were captured, the truth is that had their been no buyers, intercontinental slave trade would not have existed.

    In other words, just like drugs are blamed on the end users, Whites are responsible for being the consumers of the slave trade.

    • Sorry. “their” should be “there”.

      • I agree completely.And, I hope you noted that I never denied white responsibility, only that it was black Africans who made the slave trade possible. Yes, it was white demand for slaves that also made the slave trade possible, but the fact of black African responsibility adds a whole lot of perspective to the entire topic of slavery itself.

        Presumably you never watched the video links I provided for BW either. Too bad. In the first one, we learn that while black Africans were not only slave sellers, they were also slave buyers, having purchased more white, European slaves than they sold black Africans to Europeans. There were more than twice as many white European slaves in Africa than there were black African slaves in America.

        Oops! ell, that sure seems inconvenient to your arguments about how horrid white people are!

        Actually no, it’s not. Slavery was never about racism at all.

        Best,

        — x

        Ps.: Drugs are the responsibility of the drug user just as much as of the seller! Duh! It is an indisputable truth that if demand for drugs were to disappear, then the drug problem would disappear. Duh!

        Your comment is awaiting moderation.

  17. Okay.

    I’m going to have to put an end to this. Mostly due to xPraetorius’ responses, the thread is becoming excessively long and it’ll eventually make it harder to upload. Besides, much of the responses have gone way off topic, and xPraetorius has shown to have the same maturity level, insight in the world and temperament as the subject for which this post is about. Lastly, it’s gotten redundant as “she” continues to resort to name calling.

    xPraetorius, let me remind you that it was your decision to come here and start your usual rantings. It was you that called disagreeing comments names. And you have yet to hold yourself accountable for anything you’ve contributed for this volatile back-and-forth. You obviously are not here for a conversation, debate or argument. You’re constantly showing that you’re crying for attention as you’ve made this about you and screaming about how you’re right all the time while not arguing in good faith like this country’s man-child leader. You have a serious problem, and you show it by obsessively coming here.

    So, straighten up and act like an adult or I will ban you again. Understand? This blog is not for those with child-like personalities who behave like bullies on the playground. So, behave yourself!

    Thank you.

  18. I’m going to delete anymore comments for this thread, because it’s getting extensive and it may put a strain on devices i.e. it may take time for it to load on some of your computers, ipads, smart phones etc.

    However, I’m also shutting it down, because honestly I’m sick of xPraetorius’ abrasive tone towards myself and Xena and wonders why the responses towards him/her are on the same level. So, I’m ending this, and if xPraetorius considers this a win, so be it.

 

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  1. Okay xPraetorius, what exactly is your problem with me? And don’t tell me you have no problem, because it’s obvious that while you would’ve always left me alone to what I do, you don’t want to drop anything and want to keep it going.

    I tried sinking to your level. It didn’t work. I tried being a better blogger. It didn’t work. You are determined to bring me down for some reason and I pose no threat to you. So, what’s really going on and for once, be honest and straightforward?

    1. First of all, you have a bunch of inaccuracies in your comment. Here they are:
      (1) You didn’t “sink to my level.” For a while you upped your game, to my level, and allowed me back on your blog. That’s what real debaters do. Especially those who are interested in the topic on which they’re focusing. Then you did the usual, which is to say that you were going to ban me. An important point: You are vastly superior to Abagond, who’s just a coward, and intellectually lazy.
      (2) I made some important points, and I presented you with a bunch of really solid evidence, and you reacted to… none of it. Then…
      (3) You accused me of not providing evidence. And…
      (4) Xena, and Herneith — your friends — falsely accused me of a bunch of lousy things. And, of course, Xena talked in terms of “stench,” etc. Then…
      (5) You accused me of a bunch of things that are simply untrue, and couldn’t be deduced from our interactions. And…
      (6) You did try to be a better blogger. Then you reverted. And I never did anything but respond politely to you. You can’t be upset that I rejected your arguments, because you rejected mine. Fair is fair. So…
      (7) I presented you with a whole bunch of concrete evidence, sources, logic, arguments and facts that you never responded to.
      (8) I pointed out the “median income” silliness that you then… refused to respond to. Again, after I asked you politely and specifically to respond to it. The source was your source, and I asked you to respond to it. Not, I’m sure you’ll agree, an unreasonable request. Next…
      (9) You said that you were going to delete a bunch of posts, and that you were going to ban me. And, per your request…
      (10) I had already pointed you to the link that held surprising facts about slavery, including the historical fact that there were more white slaves in Africa than there were African slaves in America. And, that after slavery was outlawed in America, there was an ongoing trade in white slaves in Africa for more than two decades! No response from you.
      (11) You produced a steady steam of strawmen: [1] that I don’t believe that white racism exists; [2] that I minimize other people’s experiences; [3] that I was “rude” to Xena and you, who have called me things like a liar, a psychopath, crazy, stupid, etc… Ummm… Okay. So, it’s okay for you and your friends to do the very same thing that you accuse me of? Seriously?

      BW, I have nothing against you. In fact I like you, and would love to buy you a beer some day. I’ve liked you for a long time, and I’ve said that many times. When you’re not being a petulant, spoiled brat, I love locking horns with you. I don’t like that you refuse to debate rationally and fairly.

      You might say, after that bill of particulars, how could I possibly like you?!? The answer is simple. I appreciate your fire. I like your (largely wasted) intellect. You plainly> are intelligent. You have serious potential! You’re so not stupid! And, underneath all the racism, the bluster, the hogwash of the RGI, the silliness, the failure to defend a lady who disagrees with you, you’re a good guy. I really do like you. Ready for this? I have a feeling about you that you’d be a great guy to have around in, say, a combat situation. That’s not small praise. A good friend of mine is a Medal of Honor recipient. He likes you too. If he likes you, then you have to have something of alright about you!

      I’m not trying to “bring you down;” I don’t even know what that means. You asked me what my problem with you is, it’s simple: You’re right about your not being a threat to me, but your racism and your friends’ racism is a threat, a serious threat to this country.

      This is the only country in the history of the earth to to go way the heck out of its way to try to improve OUR living conditions!

      You figure, though, that you need to bring this country down. You make really rugged accusations against people who look like many of my dear friends, and you refuse to give any specifics. You say things like “White people do…” and “White people are…” and then you refuse to back it up with any specifics. I gave you one of the major points of our blog: If you’re going to accuse someone or someones of something really bad, you need to have some real evidence, some real specifics, a real, pointed, convincing, important bill of particulars, and you should have that data locked down in your brain, so that you can bring out any of its points at any moment of any day.

      You don’t. You’re not informed about race relations, else you’d be able to recite to me chapter and verse, without whining to me about the words I use, and pointing me to hogwash from Ben and Jerry’s web site. And, you’d be ready, willing and able to rein in the commenters to your blog who say horrible things. You declined my invitation to censure your friend “diaryofanegress” who openly fantasized about the violent death of a billion and a half white people. You allowed Xena to refer to “my stench.” Is that language that anyone should use, ever, to a lady? Even a lady one disagrees with? Any lady? You allowed it.

      BW, it is with great sadness that I’m telling you that I will leave you alone. There’s no learning to be gained by visiting your blog or by interacting with you.

      Congratulations! You did it! You got rid of me! And, guess what: you’re one of exactly 100 “black,” so-called “anti-racist” blogs with whom we, and our researchers made this effort. They all, to a one (73 so far) failed utterly to be able to produce one specific accusation that somehow showed something that could reasonably be labeled “White Supremacy,” or “White Privilege,” or “Institutional Racism,” or “Systemic Racism.” Not one.

      Well… I shouldn’t have to state this obvious fact to you: If you want someone, or someones, to change their behavior toward you, it sure would be helpful if you could provide some insights into what freakin’ behaviors they need to change.

      If you want to tell me that “they need to change their state of mind,” then you’re on your own. We’re not into indoctrination here at our small but increasingly influential think tank. And we don’t approve of it. We’re for letting people think for themselves, even if that might mean that some might have incorrect, or impure thoughts. Furthermore, we don’t pretend that we have the super power that the Left claims to have: “Mind Reading.” If you want to change actual states of mind, then you’re responsible for that. Make some persuasive arguments that will change states of mind. In other words, if you take yourself, and your ideas, seriously, then you need to become way more knowledgeable about them, way more persuasive about them, way more informed.

      Best,

      — x

      1. Call it what you like, but in the end, I’ve went along for the ride. I don’t know why, though. Maybe deep inside I was trying to win the debate after all. But in the end, that was part of my problem.

        My pride kept me from ultimately letting go. I could’ve just have banned you and left it alone, but I couldn’t let it end, just like you wanted to continue arguing.

        Also, I read about, researched and experienced racism in my lifetime. A lot of people I’ve met or known have also experienced racism. They were all people of color who were, at least once in their lifetimes, victims of racism. I listened or read their stories, and they weren’t looking for revenge against white people. All they wanted was a space for them to vent so that they won’t feel judged or berated, because obviously, they were hurting in some way. They wanted to get away from reality so that they can converse. My blog is one outlet for them to discuss racism away from judgmental people.

        Whether you agree or not, whether you think so or not, you were one of those people. And you know what? You were not polite to them. You took it upon yourself to come to my blog and tried to minimize any and all examples of racism where black people were on the receiving end. It started with the post I did on the Paula Deen scandal, and you continued on from there unrelenting in trying to disprove that racism was the issue. I was pissed off at you for not only having the nerve to discount it, but doubling down on it when the story reminded us that the issue is still a freakin’ issue, and issue that affected me and people like me. And you came off as not only in extreme denial but incredibly abrasive. It was like rubbing salt into the wound. But again, you may not think so, but I think differently. It doesn’t matter what you think you sound like to you. How you come off to other people is what was wrong, and you refuse to listen. That’s why the people over there and at Abagond thought you were a troll. That’s how you responded. And I kept saying repeatedly that it’s not about what I think you’re thinking about. It’s not about trying to read minds. It’s about your actions. Yet, you came off as incapable of understanding something so simple, and frankly, I lost patience. I’m sorry for being blunt, but I’ve had it with your idiocy along with your attitude.

        I didn’t ban you from my blog. I did, however, deleted your and anyone else’s comments on that thread due to memory. The more comments coming in meant that the post would end up loading slower. And besides, it’s gotten so that you’re essentially repeating yourself and your responses have gotten more condescending. There was no use in keeping the argument going. And frankly, it was giving me a headache.

        Overall – again -your responses, whether you think so or not, cut to the core of people’s emotions, especially when it came to slavery. Whatever you believe it to have been was still atrocious against Africans that began with the Dutch in 1619. Was there slavery in Africa? Yes. But Europeans exacerbated it. You can bellow about how much White Americans eliminated it. It was White Europeans who went to wanted more and more people to be carried away resulting in millions being kidnapped from their homelands that resulted in the birth of the Trans-Atlantic slave trade. But you constantly omit that part of history. Instead, you want to think that Africans started slavery, but White Americans ended it. Even more insane is the claim that there were white slaves in Africa. I don’t know where you get your version of history from, but it’s beyond incomprehensible. And even if it was true, two wrong have never made a right. In other words, if there was slavery in Africa, slavery in America isn’t any more a positive. Saying so is devoid of moral reasoning. Period.

        Regardless of what you may think of me, I don’t hate white people. I never did. However, I am against white racism, a set of beliefs and systems created to advance those of white European descent and maintain their power over other groups (There’s your definition of white supremacy, by the way.) And I’ve tried my hardest to prove that such a world exists. But you never accepted anything I or anyone else has given you. You reject them if you consider their sources leftist. You will try your best to discount them, demean any and all claims and condemn the people who made them. I’ve seen the way you comment using the words like ‘stupid’ and ‘silly’, among other words. Maybe where you come from that’s not insulting or condescending? But on my blog, and in my neck of the words, those are almost fighting words. It’s like saying that what we think or have experienced is only in our heads and that we don’t know any better. We don’t want to hear criticisms that are nods to gaslighting. Believe it or not, black people, even those on the right, know racism when we see it. And anyone telling us different is part of the problems we deal with.

        But most of us don’t hate white people. We don’t want revenge against them. We’re just striving to be as best as we can without having to deal with the racism we deal with. It’s there. We’re tired of having to deal with it a lot. And we’re tired of being told that whatever we think and feel on the matter doesn’t matter. How is any of that hurtful to white people, and if it is, why should only their feelings and thoughts matter in such conversations?

        That and more is what we’re trying to say. We’ve been trying to say that for years. While conditions have improved for us, there’s still a long way to go. While white people did have a hand in improving our situation, black people did most of the heavy lifting. In fact, white people never really noticed until we started sitting in the front of buses and marching. We simply wanted to change our conditions, not ruin the those of the white man’s.

        All we want is to live, and not simply survive. That’s not asking too much, and not at the expense of white people. If you think diary is proof of the dangers of black racism, however, there’s nothing I can say to change your mind that she is not a threat to the white race, just like it’s futile for me to think that I have a chance of winning this argument. I’m done with trying to win, because it’s not about winning. It’s about the truth. And to be honest, it’s stupid trying to win arguments over the internet. All I’m doing is blogging, and my views are vastly different from yours. So, I won’t try to change you. Only you can do that. And I hope it will be for the better.

        1. Call it what you like, but in the end, I’ve went along for the ride. I don’t know why, though. Maybe deep inside I was trying to win the debate after all. But in the end, that was part of my problem. [Don’t overthink this. You did it because you wanted to. That’s not a problem, it’s a sign that you thought there was something in it for you. That’s its own justification.]

          My pride kept me from ultimately letting go. [Kudos, BW, for the honesty in this confession… Yes, pride is a very bad thing.] I could’ve just have banned you and left it alone, but I couldn’t let it end, just like you wanted to continue arguing. [Don’t forget, you did just ban me. You did, in effect, just put your hands over your ears, close your eyes, and say, “Nah nah nah nah nah nah nah!” The fact that you stopped is all credit to you. You definitely removed yourself from your comfort zone, and you did what I did, that ultimately made me a Conservative, after having been a died-in-the-wool race monger like you and your friends.]

          Also, I read about, researched and experienced racism in my lifetime. [Okay, but it seems as though you have only information from race grievance sources! I, obviously, seek out input from all directions.] A lot of people I’ve met or known have also experienced racism. [Like me! Like all my white friends! Like all my Asian friends! Like everyone in America! White, black, brown, yellow, red or whatever color!] They were all people of color who were, at least once in their lifetimes, victims of racism. [Once in their lifetimes?!? Wow! That’s not much! I forget what the statistic is, but it’s some massive percentage of us black Americans are also taking a lot of the white man’s money. Why would we take money from people who supposedly hate us?] I listened or read their stories, and they weren’t looking for revenge against white people. [Oh? Really? “Solar assassination?” That’s not “revenge?” Do you even read what they write over at Abagond’s place? It’s disgusting! All the melanin this, and the Dr. Llaila Afrika that, and all the white-people-are-defective-diseased-deranged hogwash? None of that is about “revenge?” Seriously? By the way, that kind of talk is exactly like the whack-a-doodle, truly racist leftist eugenics movement of the 1920’s] All they wanted was a space for them to vent so that they won’t feel judged or berated, because obviously, they were hurting in some way. [I’ve been hurt too. But never once have I ever felt the need to blame all the people who look like the ones who hurt me.] They wanted to get away from reality so that they can converse. [Now, that’s something! That’s an interesting observation! Are you insinuating that black people’s escape from life’s difficulties consists of scapegoating all white people, of racist declarations, and of fantasies about wiping out all white people? That speaks really poorly of us!] My blog is one outlet for them to discuss racism away from judgmental people. [BW: racists and people fantasizing about wiping out all white people should face “judgmental people.” Don’t you think that the Stormfront goons should face judgmental people? Or should we just allow them to “vent in a place where they can escape from reality?” Of course they should face judgemental people!]

          Whether you agree or not, whether you think so or not, you were one of those people. And you know what? You were not polite to them. You took it upon yourself to come to my blog and tried to minimize any and all examples of racism where black people were on the receiving end. [Nope. I never minimized anyone’s experience. I merely assigned to them their proper context and value.] It started with the post I did on the Paula Deen scandal, and you continued on from there unrelenting in trying to disprove that racism was the issue. [Paula Deen admitted that she had used the “n” word more than 25 years ago, and it resulted in a 60 million dollar penalty to her. Was that really anything resembling “justice?” Furthermore, her one slip-up 25 years ago you took as proof positive that Deen is a racist. Wow! I hope you’re never held to account for the times you fail to act perfectly toward others!] I was pissed off at you for not only having the nerve to discount it, but doubling down on it when the story reminded us that the issue is still a freakin’ issue, and issue that affected me and people like me. And you came off as not only in extreme denial but incredibly abrasive. [But I was right. The truth has no real rules for its delivery, but not to deliver the truth is far worse than to deliver it in a way that upsets the hearer.] It was like rubbing salt into the wound. But again, you may not think so, but I think differently. It doesn’t matter what you think you sound like to you. How you come off to other people is what was wrong, and you refuse to listen. [This is where you get things very wrong, BW. Words cannot hurt you. This “words are hurtful” claptrap is what the campus “microaggressions” hogwash is all about.] That’s why the people over there and at Abagond thought you were a troll. [They were wrong.] That’s how you responded. And I kept saying repeatedly that it’s not about what I think you’re thinking about. It’s not about trying to read minds. It’s about your actions. Yet, you came off as incapable of understanding something so simple, and frankly, I lost patience. I’m sorry for being blunt, but I’ve had it with your idiocy along with your attitude. [This was a particularly weak section of your otherwise excellent post. Again, if what I said was idiotic, then the simplest solution, one would think, would be to rebut what I said. Should have been really easy if there were all that injustice all around!]

          I didn’t ban you from my blog. I did, however, deleted your and anyone else’s comments on that thread due to memory. [Sorry… that’s censorship. The real solution would have been to start a “Part II” post to continue the discussion.] The more comments coming in meant that the post would end up loading slower. And besides, it’s gotten so that you’re essentially repeating yourself and your responses have gotten more condescending. There was no use in keeping the argument going. And frankly, it was giving me a headache. [The truth can hurt. Trust me, I had lots of headaches in my transition from a whining race grievance monger to a Conservative.]

          Overall – again -your responses, whether you think so or not, cut to the core of people’s emotions, especially when it came to slavery. Whatever you believe it to have been was still atrocious against Africans that began with the Dutch in 1619. [You didn’t watch the video link I sent you, did you? Of course slavery didn’t begin with the Dutch in 1619! That was simply tapping into a long-established industry that existed around the world. ] Was there slavery in Africa? Yes. [Yep. In fact there were more European slaves in Africa than African slaves in America. Did you watch Thomas Sowell’s video? 🙂 ] But Europeans exacerbated it. [And it wouldn’t have existed without cooperation from black Africans.] You can bellow about how much White Americans eliminated it. [Ummmm… they did.] It was White Europeans who went to wanted more and more people to be carried away resulting in millions being kidnapped [kidnapped by black Africans] from their homelands that resulted in the birth of the Trans-Atlantic slave trade. But you constantly omit that part of history. [Hardly! I added to your history that omits the black African and the white-slaves-in-Africa components.] Instead, you want to think that Africans started slavery, [Nope. Never said this.] but White Americans ended it. [Well, they did.] Even more insane is the claim that there were white slaves in Africa. [Seems insane, doesn’t it? And this proves that you didn’t watch the video that I sent you… and that after you asked me to send you sources! So, I sent you sources and you didn’t even watch it! ] I don’t know where you get your version of history from, but it’s beyond incomprehensible. [Thomas Sowell is one of the most respected thinkers, economists and writers in the world.] And even if it was true, two wrong have never made a right. [Of course! And I never implied that two wrongs make a right. But, the additional facts sure add some uncomfortable perspective to all the race grievance mongers’ complaining, doesn’t it?] In other words, if there was slavery in Africa, slavery in America isn’t any more a positive. Saying so is devoid of moral reasoning. Period. [That’s why I never said so, nor even hinted at it.]

          Regardless of what you may think of me, I don’t hate white people. I never did. [Okay, then stop saying things like, “White people are…” and “White people do…” implying that all white people are, think and act the same way. We got really upset when white people used to do that to us, why would we think it’s okay to do the same thing to them? Didn’t you just say that “two wrongs don’t make a right?”] However, I am against white racism, a set of beliefs and systems created to advance those of white European descent and maintain their power over other groups (There’s your definition of white supremacy, by the way.) [Okay… we can’t do anything against people’s beliefs except try to persuade then that they’re wrong. Now, about these “systems created to advance those of white European descent and maintain their power over other groups”… Details please. Again, if such “systems” are in place, then there have to be rules, laws, regulations, policies, processes, procedures, agencies, departments in place at all levels of government, and actively working to maintain what you claim is white “power over other groups.” Please, tell me what these systems are so that we can dismantle them together. Before you dive too deep into that, I’d like to remind you that white people long ago outlawed all published such laws, rules, regulations, policies and procedures. All of them. “Systems” are held together by rules, regulations, processes, policies and procedures. If there are no such rules, laws or policies, then there are no such systems. And there is no such thing as “White Supremacy.” Look: look at the term. If there is something called “White Supremacy,” then there has to be some circumstance to which you can point and say, “See? See? White people are supreme there!!! And, if there were such a thing as “White Supremacy,” then there would not, there could, be the phenomena that I outlined for you (Obama, black gazillionaires, wealthy black entertainers, etc…).] And I’ve tried my hardest to prove that such a world exists. [And I never denied that that world exists, I simply told you that it’s a small thing, and that you can easily go around it and experience success in America.] But you never accepted anything I or anyone else has given you. You reject them if you consider their sources leftist. [If your sources are illegitimate, then your sources are illegitimate. The vast majority of left-wing sources are illegitimate. The Left lies. You get taken in by those lies, and so did I when I was younger, but I don’t anymore.] You will try your best to discount them, demean any and all claims and condemn the people who made them. [Nope. I never condemn the people, just the stupid things they sometimes say. And, again, if they say something stupid, it would be dishonest of me not to call it stupid.] I’ve seen the way you comment using the words like ‘stupid’ and ‘silly’, among other words. Maybe where you come from that’s not insulting or condescending? [No. The truth is never insulting or condescending.] But on my blog, and in my neck of the words [woods?], those are almost fighting words. [No. There’s no such thing as “fighting words.” People wish there could be, because that allows them to be indignant. But, there are no words that represent a legitimate excuse for fighting.] It’s like saying that what we think or have experienced is only in our heads and that we don’t know any better. [Nope. Never said it. Never even hinted at it.] We don’t want to hear criticisms that are nods to gaslighting. Believe it or not, black people, even those on the right, know racism when we see it. [So do white people. So do all people. We often make the egregious mistake of thinking that our experience is unique in the history of the world. It’s not.] And anyone telling us different is part of the problems we deal with. [No one I know of told you any different. Certainly I never told you any different.]

          But most of us don’t hate white people. [So, let me see. When your friend “diaryofanegress” fantasized about the violent death of a billion and a half white men, women and children, that’s not “hating” white people? When so many people on your blog and on Abagond’s blog say that “White people are all racists, and all this or that,” that’s not hating white people? If white people were to say, about black people, anything resembling what appears on your blog, or on Abagond’s blog, we’d be all over them — correctly — for the racist codswallop that it is.] We don’t want revenge against them. [“diary”‘s death wish is not a wish for revenge?] We’re just striving to be as best as we can without having to deal with the racism we deal with. It’s there. [Yep. But there’s no indication that it represents a big, widespread problem.] We’re tired of having to deal with it a lot. [Who’s not tired of having to deal with human bad behavior?] And we’re tired of being told that whatever we think and feel on the matter doesn’t matter. [I’ve never heard anyone say that, and I’ve never said that. Ever.] How is any of that hurtful to white people, [I never said that it was hurtful to white people. Our racism, and our pettiness are hurtful to us!] and if it is, why should only their feelings and thoughts matter in such conversations? [Our feelings matter! We have an opportunity — every day — to divest ourselves of our racism and our hatred and our bitterness… especially when they’re largely directed at a population that has been the most generous toward our people of all people on earth.]

          That and more is what we’re trying to say. We’ve been trying to say that for years. [So have I. So has everyone on our blog.] While conditions have improved for us, there’s still a long way to go. [Big admission… that “conditions have improved for us.” You do know, don’t you, that many are saying that conditions now are worse than they’ve ever been. That’s the real problem. There have been massive leaps forward for our rights, our status, our stature in America, and people like you are at least implying that conditions are little better than during slavery times. ] While white people did have a hand in improving our situation, black people did most of the heavy lifting. [Okay. Whatever. It was white people who set in place the systems that allowed us to seize opportunities in America. Those systems were not place before. Or, more to the point, the systems were in place, but the management of those systems was done in a racist way. This is why I’m asking you to give me chapter and verse about the systems that you allege are imposing “White Supremacy” on the country. Remember: the Race Grievance Industry’s latest buzz word is “Systemic Racism.” Well, that implies… systems! Systems that somehow do something to bring about white people’s power over other groups (to use your words).] In fact, white people never really noticed until we started sitting in the front of buses and marching. [Correct and incorrect. But, the correct part is that most white people didn’t notice until we started to sit in the front of the bus. However, white people have been working for centuries to get white people to stop mistreating us. And those white people won over the ones who were unaware of it all. Absolutely they won with our “heavy lifting.” But, they won because the average white dude is a decent sort. He’s absolutely not spending any time, money, effort or energy trying to make our lives more difficult. The way you describe yourself is the very same way I’d describe all my white men friends. All of them. No exceptions. Sure, I’ve met white jerks. One in five hundred, maybe? But that hardly means that it’s a racist country.] We simply wanted to change our conditions, not ruin the those of the white man’s. [You have to admit that some of us want to “ruin the conditions of white people.” Your friend “diary” for example. Your friend Mary? Herneith? Other racists like that. And there are a passel of people at Abagond’s place who want to ruin the lives of white people. Again, if you don’t admit it, then you’re just not being honest.]

          All we want is to live, and not simply survive. [Like the vast majority of white people.] That’s not asking too much, and not at the expense of white people. [Maybe not “at the expense of white people,” but it is white people who have transferred literally trillions of dollars to black people. ] If you think diary is proof of the dangers of black racism, however, there’s nothing I can say to change your mind that she is not a threat to the white race, just like it’s futile for me to think that I have a chance of winning this argument. [I don’t consider “diary”‘ a threat to white people. Her racist state of mind is a threat to all people. And you had, and have, an opportunity to denounce such vicious impulses, but you didn’t. You still can. It’s not a subjective thing. “Diary” fantasized for the death of all white people. You should have no problem saying to her something like, “Hey, hey, hey, let’s not wish mass death on any group! “Diary” still would have been your friend, and she might have been improved as a person. You let her remain in her neanderthal state-of-mind, and in fact endorsed her state of mind. ] I’m done with trying to win, because it’s not about winning. It’s about the truth. [Thank you! Finally! That’s what I’ve been saying all along!] And to be honest, it’s stupid trying to win arguments over the internet. [I’ll disagree with that. An argument is an argument. If you do it well, it can be an opportunity to learn and gain wisdom and insight.] All I’m doing is blogging, and my views are vastly different from yours. So, I won’t try to change you. [Why not?] Only you can do that. [Well said! Same is true of you, of course.] And I hope it will be for the better. [It’s a constant life quest of mine! 🙂 ]

          Best,

          — x

    2. @BW: I also pointed you to the following obvious facts about white people:

      • They eliminated slavery — the first and still only group to have done so.
      • They eliminated and outlawed racist laws, rules, regulations, practices and procedures at all levels of American life.
      • They transferred wealth and power away from themselves when they controlled it! This is an act of self-denial and generosity unprecedented in world history!

      You didn’t respond.

      Why didn’t you respond. It should have been easy for you.

      Best,

      — x

    3. @BW: I also made the following points, in a direct response to your question about what I find objectionable about the American political Left.:

      • Their power hunger above all other considerations.
      • Their vast corruption.., far worse than on the right (for a lot of interesting historical reasons)
      • Their Rampant intellectual laziness
      • A vastly greater tendency to violence than on the Right. Indisputable, by the way.
      • No new ideas in decades. All their “ideas” are re-packaging of other past failed ideas. Serfdom repackaged as “equality,” for example.
      • Their Corruption of the main means of communication of the values of society: the Entertainment industry, academia, the media
      • Their totalitarian impulse.
      • Greed and racism are hallmarks of the Left more than of the Right. Again for interesting historical reasons.


      You didn’t respond.

      Why didn’t you respond? It should have been easy for you.

      Best,

      — x

  2. Very interesting exchange of words in the comments section of the original post. People believe what they want to but but God bless you x for trying to change minds.

    I once had a bad Ben & Jerry’s study thrown my way too as some sort of rebuttal. Alas I would have rathered a pint of Chunky Monkey…..

  3. Lol! Thanks, Trish! What I wonder about is why people don’t do even a cursory investigation into these things! The “median income” thing should have jumped off the page at anyone tempted to think that the study was legitimate! Talk about alarm bells that should have clanged in people’s heads!

    The disturbing thing is that someone posted that kind of plainly false statistic! There’s only one reason anyone would do that, and it’s because the person posting it is confident that those reading such slop will swallow it uncritically.

    Presumably it’s still out there, so people apparently are still swallowing the slop uncritically. Plainly BrothaWolf swallowed it, and relayed it onto me as “proof” of “systemic racism.”

    By the way, that’s the next buzzword — “Systemic Racism” — out there to get big with the Race Grievance Industry. White Supremacy and White Privilege have run their course, because no one could define them, much less provide any examples of them.

    Best,

    — x

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