More Contradictions from the RGI


America’s Race Grievance Industry (RGI) has a serious problem. They want to be outraged, but are running out of targets for that anger. Oh, don’t get me wrong, there’s the occasional crank and nitwit like Cliven Bundy or Donald Sterling, the owner of the Los Angeles (Los freakin’ Angeles! In freakin’ California!) Clippers basketball team.

In an interesting sideline, when this Sterling story first broke last week, I told some friends, “Here’s what’ll happen: the lazy, left-wing media will automatically try to turn Sterling into a Republican, so they can tar all Republicans with the same brush. Then, it’ll turn out that Sterling’s a Democrat (he is) and that’ll be the last we hear of his Party affiliation.”  (How did I know all this? It didn’t require much research to learn that Sterling had made his fortune as a divorce lawyer in California. Trying to find a Republican in that swamp is a true needle/haystack exercise.)

[Update: Sterling is a real estate lawyer in California. Apologies for the mistake. Same thing, however… not a lot of Republicans in that lot either.]

However, two quick points about these two jackasses: (1) their very rarity proves just how scarce white racism really is out there — at least as imagined by the RGI, and (2) Bundy and Sterling displayed their nitwittery and they will be punished. Severely. Bundy by the disappearance of support for his land claims, and Sterling, probably by the loss of his basketball team. Remember Paula Deen? She admitted to having use the “N-word” once 25 years ago, and it cost her something like 60 million dollars in terms of present and future business.

That hardly sounds like a country awash in white-vs.-black hatred. To the contrary, it sounds like a country that is plenty serious about eradicating any trace of white hostility toward black Americans. This is, of course, as it should be. However, the de facto suspension of the First Amendment is something that should trouble everyone… deeply. One can hope that the country one day will find a balance between rightly abhorring white animosity toward black people, and never allowing the tiniest slip-up, ever.

It appears that Bundy and Sterling are serial morons, and the country is going to wash its hands of them. I would point, however, to a cautionary post that we submitted here.

Enough about Bundy and Sterling.

Shifting back to the serious problem mentioned above: The RGI is running out of people at whom to direct their rage. It’s pretty well known that they fabricate racial incidents — frequently. From Tawana Brawley to racist graffiti on college campus walls, the left and the RGI have a long history of contriving racial incidents where there are none.

Heck, are things quieting down on the race front? No problem — we on the left simply spread a few inflammatory posters around a college campus. Then, when we get caught (’cause we’re not really too bright), we say simply that this further proves the need for a “national conversation on race.” The media then bleat on and on about the need for a “national conversation on race,” forgetting entirely that the whole brouhaha was a fraud to begin with. The left-wing perpetrators of the fraud then become heroes to the Race Grievance Industry.

As soon as you show any sign of disagreeing with the RGI from any perspective — policy, history, sociology, economics, you name it — out come the cries of “Racist!” I know it well, as I’ve experienced it many times here. It’s like that little red, triangular hammer in the doctor’s office. Remember that? When he’d tap your knee with it, your leg would kick a little? The accusation of racism is like the doctor’s little red hammer on the RGI’s knee. It’s as automatic, and as mindless, as your little leg twitch.

In one of my recent exchanges with the pawns of the RGI — here (this is the post in which “Brotha Wolf” tells his readers that he has banned me from commenting on his blog) — a certain Herneith posted the following (you can read it in context here):

A black man walks into a high school’s administrative office. Shortly after, a black woman who is a teacher there, walks in. The secretary says to her: “Who’s that darkie, your husband”? Folks, this happened to my sister today at the school she teaches at. She reported it to the principal who as a manager is obliged to act on this incident. She initially asked my sister what she ‘wanted to do about it’. My sister threw it back into her lap. I will say I was stunned by this. Usually they are not this blatant.

According to praetori*** [Editor’s note: offensive content edited out. The post’s writer is referring to me], racism is a thing of the past. Uh Huh.

First: Does something ring false to you about this story? Did it feel as fabricated to you as it did to me? .

I pay very close attention to the language (I’m a linguist by training) and the substance of current events. I’ve not seen or heard the term “darkie” written, posted, on radio or television, in a newspaper, in a story about racism — anywhere — in decades. 

The last time I encountered the term directly was when my grandmother told me that it used to be a common term decades before. She told me that in the early 1970’s. Without doing some in-depth research on the term itself, it’s possible it’s been pretty much out of use, in this country at least, for nearly a century. The Urban Dictionary shows the word’s one-time meaning — a derogatory term for a person of dark skin; a black person — to have become “taboo in America.” I can attest to the fact that it’s been taboo where I live all my life, and I’m more than half a century old.

Second: Here’s a reason you will not soon see the RGI living in anything resembling reality anytime soon. Herneith says, “According to praetori***, racism is a thing of the past.” Of course, I never said anything remotely resembling that. More to the point, I expended a lot of energy stating — extremely, excruciatingly plainly — that racism was not a thing of the past. Rather, it had morphed into a constant characteristic of the American left and its political wing, the Democrat Party. I then introduced and made the point that there is plenty of black racism out there to ensure that, unfortunately, racism will be a part of the American landscape for a long time to come.

This ability or willingness, on Herneith’s part,  to edit reality out of her thinking is a common characteristic of the left and of the RGI. Reality is deeply inconvenient to the left, so they manufacture their own, and use that faked “reality” in all their communications, rebuttals and arguments. Even when it is demonstrated to them that what they’ve said is manifestly untrue, out comes the same faked reality in the very next blog post.

Now, to be sure, the racism that Herneith imagines — and fabricates — is largely, though not completely, gone. As long as there are people of different skin colors, there will be chowderheads who don’t like them for that sole reason. We’re a fallen bunch, we humans. However, in today’s America, the effects of white racism as an obstacle to the social, political or economic advancement of black people are gone. Wiped out. White racism exists, but it has been utterly eradicated as a social force. The opprobrium now cascading by the bucket-full down on the heads of the aforementioned Mssrs Bundy and Sterling is proof of that.(1) 

Don’t minimize that, dear reader… when black people tell you of their anger and pain as it pertains to white racism, it’s because of the effects of that bias. White racism did have the effect of locking black Americans into whatever social stratum — generally a low one — they occupied, with advancement up and out of that stratum vastly more difficult than for white people. However, those pernicious effects have been gone for decades.

It is simply impossible to argue today that white hostility remains any kind of an obstacle in the path of black advancement in any endeavor in America.(2) 

I once posed a simple question in my many exchanges with some black members of the RGI(3): “What do you want us white people to do?” It was from the responses to that question, and from the rest of the conversation, that I concluded that the RGI want (1) Revenge, (2) Free stuff, (3) Emotional and Intellectual Validation and (4) Built-in excuses for failure. They most decidedly do not want to hang out with us. Nowhere in any of their responses was an indication that the RGI wanted us whites to like them. They didn’t want whites to be their friends, and they didn’t want to be whites’ friends.

To the contrary, by far the most common sentiment was a desire to become the majority ethnicity in America so blacks could do to whites what they allege whites are doing to blacks! A not uncommon desire was that somehow all white people might be exterminated. Some came out and said it flat out, and others indicated that such a thing would constitute “karma.”

In a normal, healthy society, those last two desires would be condemned as the genocidal rantings of lunatics and psychopaths. Instead, no-account, powerless morons like Donald Sterling and Cliven Bundy attract society’s wrath.

Racism is racism is racism is racism. Any human being under the sun can be guilty of it. It should be condemned in no uncertain terms no matter whence it comes. That we allow it from some corners, then go nuclear on it from others is what makes the schizophrenia of  the Race Grievance Industry possible. On the one hand they denounce racism in the most scathing of terms, and on the other, the RGI are the worst perpetrators of racism in America today.

— xPraetorius

Notes


(1) Look for stories about how Sterling, in his zeal to prove that he’s not  racist, will be paying  some astronomical sum of money to some adjunct of the RGI. Cliven Bundy, on the other hand, not being worth 1.9 billions smackers is ummmm… out of luck.

(2) Now, white solicitude, on the other hand, does represent a significant barrier to black advancement. That is another topic altogether, and one that we have covered extensively in these pages. It’s a “with friends like these liberal white people, who needs enemies?” kind of topic. It’s important to note that this white solicitude is simple to overcome, and that blacks have for the most part demanded it. It doesn’t change for an instant, though, the fact that such well-meaning good intentions have proven highly damaging to American blacks.

(3) Not to be forgotten is that the Race Grievance Industry is composed of leftist blacks and whites at all levels — from the “foot soldiers” or “pawns,” all the way to the nationally-known race dealers and pushers like Jesse Jackson, Al Sharpton, Barack Obama, Touré, Melissa Harris-Perry, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi and others.

39 thoughts on “More Contradictions from the RGI

  1. Since you mentioned my name AGAIN in your latest installment of the RGI brigade, I have a few things to say on the matter.

    1. Yes, I read somewhere that Sterling is a Democrat. One of my commenters mentioned it to me in fact. Let me go on record of saying that I believe that Democrats and liberals are just as racists as their right wing counterparts. While you want to believe that your side is not or less racist, I beg to differ heavily. Which brings me to the next point.

    2. It’s funny how you mentioned Cliven Bundy’s racist remarks, but never mentioned how, at first, he was supported by the right wing noise machine known as FOX News, in particular Sean Hannity.. All of this happened before he was revealed to be a racist SOB. After that, not only did they want to disassociate with him, but they made efforts to erase their support from their memories. Don’t believe me? Read all about it.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/25/cliven-bundy-abandoned-fox-cnn_n_5211710.html
    http://www.newsweek.com/fox-isnt-so-cozy-cliven-bundy-now-hes-revealed-racist-248694
    http://www.newshounds.us/20140424_fox_nation_omits_comment_section_for_cliven_bundy_racist_comments_thread
    http://www.salon.com/2014/04/24/roger_ailes_owns_cliven_bundy_now_how_dumb_opportunism_became_a_right_wing_nightmare/
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/25/koch-brothers-cliven-bundy_n_5213481.html

    3. I’ve never heard you posed the question “What do you want us white people to do?” to me.

    4. You said, “They most decidedly do not want to hang out with us. Nowhere in any of their responses was an indication that the RGI wanted us whites to like them. They didn’t want whites to be their friends, and they didn’t want to be whites’ friends.”

    Let’s get one thing straight. You, in particular, have never given us reasons to like YOU. And we have met a lot of whites with the same condescending attitudes you exhibit exhaustingly constantly making us out to be delusional when you haven’t been through what we’ve been through.

    We never said we don’t want whites to be our friends, but whites throughout history up until today have NOT given us a GOOD reason why. Sure, individually we have white friends and even white lovers. But as a whole, white people continue to give us sound reasons not to trust them, let alone like them.

    And how can we be friends with whites, especially those like you, when you continue to talk down to us like our thoughts and emotions don’t matter? What sense does that make?

    As for that genocidal comment, I won’t even go there, because that is not what one of my commenters said. You just interpreted it as white genocide probably due to poor comprehension skills. This is what she said:

    “Yurugu (White people) is feeling, slightly, the sins of his twisted, diseased, diabolical past, present and future with rising alarm. Having zero concept of karma, they are “stunned” and “caught off guard” as to why the entire Colored world harbours feelings of resentment and anger towards them.”

    She said that white people have no idea why they are losing their place at the top of the world’s socio-polito-economic food chain. They are unaware that their past deeds for which they have yet to fully account for are catching up to them.

    “Being deficient of melanin, the God Principle of the planet, they are unable to experience remorse and humility. They know, intrinsically, that they shall reap the benefits of what they have planted but arrogance will never permit them to admit it.”

    Self-explanatory.

    “Their rising fear will manifest into more crimes against us and more laws restricting us but it will be of no avail. Yurugu WILL PERISH off the planet. Either by ways of the sword or by ways of Mother Nature. My wish is for a solar assassination of their nasty, beastiality-loving, pale asses.
    By *censored*.
    Don’t let the door hit ya on the way out!
    On second thought…I hope the door hits them real hard.”

    NO WHERE was there any talk of “a desire to become the majority ethnicity in America so blacks could do to whites what they allege whites are doing to blacks!” And there’s nothing alleged about what (at least some) whites ARE doing to blacks.

    By the way, pointing out racism isn’t racist.

  2. Welcome back, BCW! Here are some responses to your excellent, but inaccurate, post above.

    You said:

    Since you mentioned my name AGAIN in your latest installment of the RGI brigade, I have a few things to say on the matter.

    My reply:

    Glad to hear it!

    You said:

    1. Yes, I read somewhere that Sterling is a Democrat. One of my commenters mentioned it to me in fact. Let me go on record of saying that I believe that Democrats and liberals are just as racists as their right wing counterparts. While you want to believe that your side is not or less racist, I beg to differ heavily. Which brings me to the next point.

    My reply:

    If you read somewhere that Sterling is a Democrat, it had to be in the right-wing ideological press. you would not have heard it in the dinosaur legacy media, ie: CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, all of whom were trying to tag us Conservatives with Sterling’s nitwittery. He is, was, and always has been a liberal Democrat. He is just an example of what we’ve been saying here all along: the home of any remaining white racism in America is on the left. My side is not racist whatsoever. Let me phrase it another way: anyone who believes as I do is not at all racist. Since the American left is racist, and we Conservatives are not at all racist, by definition we are less racist than they.

    And yet, you (in the plural) continue to vote for Democrats to the tune of freakin’ 90-95%!!!. Seriously, what do they give you that you would do that?!? The answer to that is simple: free stuff. Again, that was in response to the demand that whites give free stuff to poor people who simply ended up being disproportionately black. This has amounted to trillions and trillions of dollars. And what has been the result? A poverty rate that stopped falling as soon as the free stuff started rolling in, and a black vote rate in excess of 80% in all subsequent Presidential and midterm elections from that point on. As I might have mentioned before, you, and all black, white or other people were free to decline the free stuff, but no one did. Since the free stuff was offered, then accepted, it is not unreasonable to say that the recipients wanted it.

    You said:

    2. It’s funny how you mentioned Cliven Bundy’s racist remarks, but never mentioned how, at first, he was supported by the right wing noise machine known as FOX News, in particular Sean Hannity. [Editor’s comment: You don’t watch FOX, do you BCW, thereby guaranteeing that you don’t diversify your sources of information. Tsk, tsk…what a shame. That’s one sure way to remain ignorant] All of this happened before he was revealed to be a racist SOB. After that, not only did they want to disassociate with him, but they made efforts to erase their support from their memories. Don’t believe me? Read all about it.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/25/cliven-bundy-abandoned-fox-cnn_n_5211710.html
    http://www.newsweek.com/fox-isnt-so-cozy-cliven-bundy-now-hes-revealed-racist-248694
    http://www.newshounds.us/20140424_fox_nation_omits_comment_section_for_cliven_bundy_racist_comments_thread
    http://www.salon.com/2014/04/24/roger_ailes_owns_cliven_bundy_now_how_dumb_opportunism_became_a_right_wing_nightmare/
    http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/04/25/koch-brothers-cliven-bundy_n_5213481.html

    My reply:

    This is, of course, incorrect. As the very public record shows plainly, we Conservatives supported Bundy’s land claim, as many of us, myself included, still do. That he turned out to be a nitwit is precisely why we Conservatives are distancing ourselves from him as a person. However, his land claim is still valid. That the federal government owns some 80% of Nevada’s land is disgusting! BW, you are a racist. As bad a racist as Bundy. Yet, if you had the exact same case as Bundy, I’d be all about supporting your land claim case against the federal government too. As we mentioned in a previous post, racists have the same exact constitutional rights as everyone else.

    The web sources you cite are all unserious. I’ve read the leftist case against both FOX news and Conservatives. It’s rubbish, but that is what most stuff coming from the left is. The News Hound one for example is debunked right in its own comments section. The saloon.com one is the usual flapdoodle, trying desperately, and failing, to tie racists to the right. As soon as Bundy showed he was a moron, we on the right washed our hands of him in disgust. Yes, his land claim is meritorious, but you can’t win in the court of public opinion — the only real court that counts — with a moron. And, really, in the end, our goal is to win. 🙂 So’s yours, by the way.

    You said:

    3. I’ve never heard you posed the question “What do you want us white people to do?” to me.

    My reply:

    I didn’t pose it specifically to you. I posed it more generally in the Abagond thread (Notes on xPraetorius). His response, and that of several others, was non-serious. They said that they wanted whites to own up to all they had done to black people in the past. Since that’s all that whites have been doing for sixty years — that and doing whatever the RGI has insisted they do by way of atonement — his response was, as I mentioned, unserious. Therefore, I had to extrapolate since no one would give me a serious answer.

    You’ll notice that I didn’t say specifically that you wanted all those things… but you do.

    You said:

    4. You said, “They most decidedly do not want to hang out with us. Nowhere in any of their responses was an indication that the RGI wanted us whites to like them. They didn’t want whites to be their friends, and they didn’t want to be whites’ friends.”

    Let’s get one thing straight. You, in particular, have never given us reasons to like YOU. And we have met a lot of whites with the same condescending attitudes you exhibit exhaustingly constantly making us out to be delusional when you haven’t been through what we’ve been through.

    We never said we don’t want whites to be our friends, but whites throughout history up until today have NOT given us a GOOD reason why. Sure, individually we have white friends and even white lovers. But as a whole, white people continue to give us sound reasons not to trust them, let alone like them.

    And how can we be friends with whites, especially those like you, when you continue to talk down to us like our thoughts and emotions don’t matter? What sense does that make?

    My reply:

    To the contrary, I’ve given you plenty of reason to like me. I’m friendly, respectful, nice and polite to you, despite the horrific names you have called me, which include, and I quote, “racist, crazy, psychopath, liar, drunk (figuratively), ignorant, sociopath…” Should I continue? I’ve called you: a racist. Yet, you’ve admitted yourself in the pages of your own blog that you’re a racist. On that account, I invited you to cease to be a racist. You declined the invitation. I have called you only what you called yourself.

    Furthermore, I’m educated, opinionated, honest, frank and intelligent… and I treat you like an equal. I don’t put up with any of your guff, and I don’t condescend to you as the left does. I don’t pretend you’re some noble victim solely because of the color of your skin, and I treat everything you say as though it is the gospel truth as you believe it. I’m probably one of the few whites who have given you many, many reasons to like me.

    What you misinterpret as condescending is really honesty. Your racism really is stupid, BCW, and I won’t beat around the bush and pretend that it’s okay for you to be a racist, when it simply is not. I could lie to you, as the left does so that you’ll vote for them, and pretend that the color of your skin confers some automatic nobility on you, but that would be as dishonest as they are. I’m not going to do that to you.

    As for your never having said “you don’t want whites to be your friends.” I quoted your friend “diaryofanegress” as she fantasized about the violent death of more than a billion people who look like me — a position that you endorsed. I would hold that to be sufficient evidence to indicate that you (in both the plural and the singular) don’t want to be white people’s friends. This might sound harsh, BW, but if on one hand you say you have white friends, and on the other, you endorse a fantasy that would wipe out all white people, I would suggest that possibly your friendship is phony, and that you are a fraud in one position or the other. You can’t have it both ways.

    As for not giving you reasons to be our friends, I can think of several trillion reasons that we have given you that at least should be considered a gesture of good faith. The money and programs and laws and policies and power and fame and undeniable social, economic and political mobility that whites surrendered — practically without a shot being fired! are other indications that we are worthy of friendship. It was one of the greatest, most revolutionary acts in the history of inter-racial interactions! Whites and blacks together deserve to celebrate this astonishing accomplishment, and you do nothing but deny that it ever happened.

    A little house-cleaning here: If you re-read, you will see that I never, ever, not once, not ever even hinted that your thoughts and emotions don’t matter. They are as important as the thoughts and emotions of anyone else in the world. But they don’t tell you the teentsiest, weentsiest, ittiest, bittiest thing about the country as a whole. That is obvious.

    Oh, and you have no idea under the sun whether I’ve been through what you’ve been through. Why? Simple, you have no idea what I’ve been through. More to the point, whatever I’ve been through individually, would be anecdotal only anyway, and not important to the larger discussion about the discussion of race in America. I have been through all the things necessary to be quite an expert on the topic, and that’s all that counts for the purpose of our discussion.

    You said:

    As for that genocidal comment, I won’t even go there, because that is not what one of my commenters said. You just interpreted it as white genocide probably due to poor comprehension skills. This is what she said:

    “Yurugu (White people) is feeling, slightly, the sins of his twisted, diseased, diabolical past, present and future with rising alarm. Having zero concept of karma, they are “stunned” and “caught off guard” as to why the entire Colored world harbours feelings of resentment and anger towards them.”

    She said that white people have no idea why they are losing their place at the top of the world’s socio-polito-economic food chain. They are unaware that their past deeds for which they have yet to fully account for are catching up to them.

    “Being deficient of melanin, the God Principle of the planet, they are unable to experience remorse and humility. They know, intrinsically, that they shall reap the benefits of what they have planted but arrogance will never permit them to admit it.”

    Self-explanatory.

    My reply:

    First: I thought you said you weren’t going to go there… 🙂

    Second: It’s self-explanatory, alright. It’s blatantly, out-there-in-your-face-brazen, moronic, whackadoodle blather. However, because it’s you and you’re taking this pseudo-scientific-mystical flapdoodle seriously, I’ll tackle it for you, idiotic phrase by moronic phrase:

    “Yurugu (White people) is feeling, slightly, the sins of his twisted, diseased, diabolical past, present and future with rising alarm. [xPraetorius: You scoff at Christianity, and then take this seriously?!? You’re kidding, right?] Having zero concept of karma, [xPraetorius: Who has zero concept of karma? Every white person I know understands karma quite well.] they are “stunned” and “caught off guard” as to why the entire Colored world harbours feelings of resentment and anger towards them.” [xPraetorius: No one’s really “stunned” or “caught off guard” — the explanation is simple: the angrier the RGI pretends to be, the more free stuff comes their way. 🙂 It’s worked for decades now, why should they, or you, stop now? The leadership of the RGI are all quite well off.]

    She said that white people have no idea why they are losing their place at the top of the world’s socio-polito-economic food chain. They are unaware that their past deeds for which they have yet to fully account for are catching up to them. [xPraetorius: Nope again. Most white people know exactly why they are losing their place “at the top of the food chain.” Simple demographics, and because white people have no real desire to be “at the top of the food chain.” That’s why when, in the 1960’s, black people demanded equality, and freedom, and justice, and opportunity, white people said, “Uhhhhh…Ok.”]

    “Being deficient of melanin, the God Principle of the planet, [xPraetorius: Do you really take this poppycock seriously, BCW?!? Really?!? Melanin is the “God Principle of the planet?!” First, what even does that nonsense mean?!? Second, this is the most moronic, retrograde, jackassery I’ve heard in a long time.]they are unable to experience remorse and humility. [xPraetorius: Hogwash! More than ten trillion dollars worth of remorse says that the woman who wrote this is the very personification of ignorance. I wonder what “government services” (ie free stuff) “diaryof” is getting. ]They know, intrinsically, that they shall reap the benefits of what they have planted but arrogance will never permit them to admit it.” [xPraetorius: You mean all those ten trillion dollars and more that whites planted will grow?!? They weren’t just thrown away on a poverty rate that is unchanged from when all the “free” money started to flow back in the 1960’s?!? I’m looking forward to seeing it!!!]

    Good gracious, BCW, how on earth can you even think of standing up for the dopey, pointless drivel that “diaryof” wrote?

    Then you quoted “diaryof” some more:

    “Their rising fear will manifest into more crimes against us and more laws restricting us but it will be of no avail. [xPraetorius: Name one law whites have passed against blacks in the past 60 years. Just one, please. Name one crime that whites as a whole have committed against blacks in the past 60 years. Again, just one will do. Individual anecdotes are not acceptable] Yurugu WILL PERISH off the planet. Either by ways of the sword [xPraetorius: Oh? Whose sword, BCW? Hmmmmm…? ]or by ways of Mother Nature. My wish is for a solar assassination of their nasty, beastiality-loving, pale a**es. [xPraetorius: This was the sentiment, the one fantasizing about the violent death of more than a billion people who look like me, that you endorsed. ]
    By *censored*.
    Don’t let the door hit ya on the way out!
    On second thought…I hope the door hits them real hard.” [xPraetorius: Then you said that after the hypothetical realization of “diaryof’s” bloody fantasy, that the (now dead) whites would somehow blame it all on blacks, Puerto Ricans and other minorities. You didn’t condemn the bloodthirsty thought, as any rational person would have, you freakin’ seconded it! Next: where did “diaryof” get the idea that white people “love bestiality?” Sounds as though she was coming unhinged when she wrote that. Put it this way, those were not the ravings of a sane person. And you endorsed them.]

    You said:

    NO WHERE was there any talk of “a desire to become the majority ethnicity in America so blacks could do to whites what they allege whites are doing to blacks!” And there’s nothing alleged about what (at least some) whites ARE doing to blacks.

    My reply:

    BCW: I’ll say this as gently as I can: you fantasized about the violent death of all white people. That’s just a tad worse than my charge that the RGI want to “become the majority ethnicity in America.” However, my charge is correct; that’s what the RGI want. Only people like “diaryof,” and you apparently, pine after the extermination of all whites.

    Your last sentence — “And there’s nothing alleged about what (at least some) whites ARE doing to blacks.” — was incoherent. What does that mean?

    You said:

    By the way, pointing out racism isn’t racist.

    My reply:

    But it is racist to fabricate racism where there is none. You continue to point out isolated incidents, but you have no evidence that there is anything resembling a climate of white racism all across America today.

    Nothing.

    You have admitted that you are a racist. Why would you be surprised when I recognize racist things that you do? More to the point, why would you then deny them? You admit you’re a racist.

    I, however, am not. And I never was.

    Best,

    — x

  3. Once again, you demolished poor Brotha Cryin’ Wolf! Why does he keep coming back for more? I understand your affection for him, but he doesn’t [gratuitous insult removed], and I don’t hold as high an opinion of his honesty as you seem to. I think you have to face it. BCW is a racist and an [gratuitous insult removed]. You can’t ever convince [gratuitous insult removed] like that to see a different perspective. His mind’s made up and he won’t let the facts get in the way of his thinking.

  4. Apollo: Thank you for your comments. I did have to edit out some inappropriate insults directed at Brotha Wolf. You are free to criticize what he writes on these pages or others, but you are not allowed to insult him.

    I did leave in the remark about his honesty so that I could comment on it.

    I have always operated on the assumption that he believes completely what he’s saying to me. That he didn’t initially grant that same courtesy to me is immaterial. He does now. I have adopted the policy that unless I have direct contrary evidence I will assume that my interlocutors are expressing the truth as they understand it.

    This doesn’t change the fact that Brotha Wolf and others in the RGI are frequently egregiously wrong in what they say, but I call them on that all the time. They are the flat-earthers of today. It’s important to note, however, that the flat-earthers, for the most part, truly believed the earth was flat.

    Similarly, the vast majority of the RGI truly believes that America, despite mountains of evidence to the contrary, is a racist cesspool, crammed to overflowing with white people just barely concealing their hatred for black people.

    That they are completely wrong doesn’t change the fact that they believe it.

    Therefore, you may call what they write wrong, or stupid, or idiotic or ignorant, all you want… but you may not call them liars, or stupid, or question their character or intelligence.

    Aopllo, I encourage you to go after what they write. There’s plenty there to pick apart. It’s easy, and I urge you to pull no punches. The arguments of the left wither up and blow away when faced with the facts and common sense. You can see it in their reactions. The first thing they do is resort to name-calling. This is the reaction of one who is already out of ammunition. Call them on the name-calling, then go right back in to demolishing their argumentation.

    Finally, as we’ve said in these pages many times, “The facts of life are Conservative; however, society’s white nose (academia, the press, Hollywood, pop culture) is liberal.” As a result of marinating in this white noise all their lives, the RGI and the left have never experienced a real challenge to their viewpoints. Their ideas are weak, flaccid, impotent, outdated, discredited… yet still much in vogue!

    Disabusing the left of their neanderthal, reactionary notions ought to be as easy as pushing over long-dead trees. It doesn’t change the fact, nonetheless, that we still have to do it. We still have to make the effort to get out there and engage the left and demolish these antiquated beliefs and ideas. I encourage you to join me in doing so.

    Best,

    — x

  5. Okay. I see how you think. According to your responses, it looks like you think the right wing is the undeniable objective viewpoint while the left simple isn’t. (This is where you tell me how I’m incorrect) And since you’re obviously on the right, that means you are always right in any “argument” or “debate” against the left. (This is where you tell me how that’s not true or what not). So, you conclude that I am a member of the left seeing as how I’m “a pawn of the RGI”. So, whatever I say concerning race must be wrong, unless it’s along the lines of what you think. (Another point where you write paragraphs about why I’m wrong again.)

    I’ll do you a favor and keep my responses short and to the point. I really don’t have time to argue extensively seeing as how it’s futile, even though you may say that you’re interested in the exchange of ideas when all responses show that you only want me to listen to you, and not the other way around. But of course, as a member of the left and RGI, I’m wrong again, eh?

    If you read somewhere that Sterling is a Democrat, it had to be in the right-wing ideological press. you would not have heard it in the dinosaur legacy media, ie: CNN, ABC, CBS, NBC, MSNBC, all of whom were trying to tag us Conservatives with Sterling’s nitwittery. He is, was, and always has been a liberal Democrat. He is just an example of what we’ve been saying here all along: the home of any remaining white racism in America is on the left. My side is not racist whatsoever. Let me phrase it another way: anyone who believes as I do is not at all racist. Since the American left is racist, and we Conservatives are not at all racist, by definition we are less racist than they.

    And yet, you (in the plural) continue to vote for Democrats to the tune of freakin’ 90-95%!!!. Seriously, what do they give you that you would do that?!? The answer to that is simple: free stuff. Again, that was in response to the demand that whites give free stuff to poor people who simply ended up being disproportionately black. This has amounted to trillions and trillions of dollars. And what has been the result? A poverty rate that stopped falling as soon as the free stuff started rolling in, and a black vote rate in excess of 80% in all subsequent Presidential and midterm elections from that point on. As I might have mentioned before, you, and all black, white or other people were free to decline the free stuff, but no one did. Since the free stuff was offered, then accepted, it is not unreasonable to say that the recipients wanted it.

    Let me clarify and say that I heard he was a democrat through the comment alone. I never read it anywhere beyond that, but even so, it does not matter. I replied how both sides are racists. And I can list numerous examples of how your side is not so clean, but as usual, you will refute them for whatever meager reason like, “It’s from a liberal source” or whatever.

    I as an individual haven’t always voted for Democrats. But when I did, it was the lesser of two evils. In the end, people are screwed either way. I can’t speak for others, but when I voted Democrat it wasn’t to get “free stuff” (Although, you may disagree seeing as how you know me better than I do, you knowing more about black people than black people and all.) I voted Democrat because evidence suggests that times will be worse if Republicans take over. But I know you don’t think that’s true. So, whatever makes you happy, little man. SMH

    This is, of course, incorrect. As the very public record shows plainly, we Conservatives supported Bundy’s land claim, as many of us, myself included, still do. That he turned out to be a nitwit is precisely why we Conservatives are distancing ourselves from him as a person. However, his land claim is still valid. That the federal government owns some 80% of Nevada’s land is disgusting! BW, you are a racist. As bad a racist as Bundy. Yet, if you had the exact same case as Bundy, I’d be all about supporting your land claim case against the federal government too. As we mentioned in a previous post, racists have the same exact constitutional rights as everyone else.

    The web sources you cite are all unserious. I’ve read the leftist case against both FOX news and Conservatives. It’s rubbish, but that is what most stuff coming from the left is. The News Hound one for example is debunked right in its own comments section. The saloon.com one is the usual flapdoodle, trying desperately, and failing, to tie racists to the right. As soon as Bundy showed he was a moron, we on the right washed our hands of him in disgust. Yes, his land claim is meritorious, but you can’t win in the court of public opinion — the only real court that counts — with a moron. And, really, in the end, our goal is to win. 🙂 So’s yours, by the way.

    You see. I was right. I knew you would call it incorrect. I knew you’d call those sites ‘leftest’. You’re incredibly predictable. LOL Still, how is supporting Bundy’s land claim not the same as supporting Bundy himself?? That makes no sense and you know it. You just can’t admit to a problem your camp has and is trying to cover up. That’s all it is.

    You scoff at Christianity, and then take this seriously?!? You’re kidding, right?

    Who’s scoffing as Christianity?? And unlike you, I listen to other voices aside from my own that disagrees with mine. Maybe you should learn to do so once in a while.

    Who has zero concept of karma? Every white person I know understands karma quite well.

    Then why do many of them fear of some kind of retribution for their sins against POC or act surprised when they are victims of attacks by POC. And before you go there, like you always do, no. I am not excusing any act of violence against anyone. So, don’t try to put words in my text box.

    No one’s really “stunned” or “caught off guard” — the explanation is simple: the angrier the RGI pretends to be, the more free stuff comes their way. 🙂 It’s worked for decades now, why should they, or you, stop now? The leadership of the RGI are all quite well off.

    There is no RGI. You just secretly have a problem with POC asking and fighting for the same rights and privileges whites take for granted. Of course, you won’t admit to something to true. 🙂

    Nope again. Most white people know exactly why they are losing their place “at the top of the food chain.” Simple demographics, and because white people have no real desire to be “at the top of the food chain.” That’s why when, in the 1960’s, black people demanded equality, and freedom, and justice, and opportunity, white people said, “Uhhhhh…Ok.”

    You love disagreeing with me, eh? So, in other words, you think one time in history was all it took for everyone to be equals? I see. Maybe you should do more research outside of a social studies elementary school text book to understand that marching to Washington and passing civil rights bills do not elimate institutionalized racism just like that. Or is that forbidden to the right to do any real…thinking and research as it goes against the concept of faith? 🙂

    Do you really take this poppycock seriously, BCW?!? Really?!? Melanin is the “God Principle of the planet?!” First, what even does that nonsense mean?!? Second, this is the most moronic, retrograde, jackassery I’ve heard in a long time.

    It’s a lot better than the opposite that is being upheld by racists that say that my melanin is a curse or sign of human pathology.

    Hogwash! More than ten trillion dollars worth of remorse says that the woman who wrote this is the very personification of ignorance. I wonder what “government services” (ie free stuff) “diaryof” is getting.

    So spending “ten trillion dollars” was all it took for POC to forgive and forget. I guess it’s useless to ask where you got this information from. You may even say that you are its source. LOL! In any case, I wonder why you’re not vocal about the rich getting more money and privileges thanks to having friends in Washington. But helping the poor and POC is, in so many words, wrong.

    Yeah, I know. I’m wrong about that too. Go ahead and tell me. You really hate to think that even you can’t be wrong sometimes, especially if it comes to certain topics. That’s a bad sign of how someone thinks.

    This was the sentiment, the one fantasizing about the violent death of more than a billion people who look like me, that you endorsed.

    And yet, you say that white people understand karma. LOL

    Then you said that after the hypothetical realization of “diaryof’s” bloody fantasy, that the (now dead) whites would somehow blame it all on blacks, Puerto Ricans and other minorities. You didn’t condemn the bloodthirsty thought, as any rational person would have, you freakin’ seconded it! Next: where did “diaryof” get the idea that white people “love bestiality?” Sounds as though she was coming unhinged when she wrote that. Put it this way, those were not the ravings of a sane person. And you endorsed them

    Okay, so let me ask you something, why are you so bloody concerned about what this woman says? If it bothers you, leave it and her alone. What are you possibly afraid of? If her comments and my “endorsing” them bothers you to death, why not stay away from my blog instead of lurking around for “evidence” of a nonexistent industry to write excessively about in order to continue your ridiculous concept that such an industry exist to get “free stuff”.

    And as a side note, you are completely crazy if you think POC don’t have reasons to get angry. You are the LAST person to tell POC what to think and feel. You are no expert. You don’t know jack about POC. And you know even less about their reality.

    BCW: I’ll say this as gently as I can: you fantasized about the violent death of all white people. That’s just a tad worse than my charge that the RGI want to “become the majority ethnicity in America.” However, my charge is correct; that’s what the RGI want. Only people like “diaryof,” and you apparently, pine after the extermination of all whites.

    Your last sentence — “And there’s nothing alleged about what (at least some) whites ARE doing to blacks.” — was incoherent. What does that mean?

    I’ve never fantasized about that. So cut the BS, XPrae. Stop trying to tell me what I think and say. If you can’t handle me speaking for myself, that’s your GD problem. And frankly, I don’t give a d*** if you get upset about it, because you know I’m no pushover.

    And that last sentence is simple. I will not waste my time explaining it to someone who acts like a spoiled child who will not listen anyway. So what’s the point? What. Is. The. Point?

    But it is racist to fabricate racism where there is none. You continue to point out isolated incidents, but you have no evidence that there is anything resembling a climate of white racism all across America today.

    Nothing.

    You have admitted that you are a racist. Why would you be surprised when I recognize racist things that you do? More to the point, why would you then deny them? You admit you’re a racist.

    I, however, am not. And I never was.

    Oh, stop typing. You don’t know what racism is. And like I said, you are in NO position to tell POC what it is. That’s why they laugh and mock people like you. But you’re too lost in your own fantasies to see past your own inflated ego to understand even the slightest what our problem is. You are so full of yourself, you don’t see how much of a lunatic you are. You are your biggest fan. And yet.

    To the contrary, I’ve given you plenty of reason to like me. I’m friendly, respectful, nice and polite to you…

    Go ahead and think that if it makes you feel great in your own mind. It’s no use talking to those who are apparently mentally disturbed.

    By the way, about that question…

    I didn’t pose it specifically to you. I posed it more generally in the Abagond thread (Notes on xPraetorius). His response, and that of several others, was non-serious. They said that they wanted whites to own up to all they had done to black people in the past. Since that’s all that whites have been doing for sixty years — that and doing whatever the RGI has insisted they do by way of atonement — his response was, as I mentioned, unserious. Therefore, I had to extrapolate since no one would give me a serious answer.

    You’ll notice that I didn’t say specifically that you wanted all those things… but you do.

    Of course, you would think it’s not serious, but since you think that, that must mean it’s objective eh?

    xPrae, you may think your side is objective. You may think you’re objective. You said once in Abagond’s that everything is political. Well, here’s a thought. There’s is something else other than right and left. There is also INDEPENDENT!

    Has it ever crossed your delusional mind that maybe some things are not left or right? Has it ever occurred that those who argue with your views are not always leftists? Has it ever processed in that mind of yours that some information is not politically biased? If you’ve answered yes to any of that, then what makes them wrong as opposed to your right views?

    I know you’ll spend time jotting down every single point that I made that you think is wrong. I know you’ll continue to paint me as the bad guy here. And I know that you may even think that the last parts of what I wrote is wrong too. I don’t mind being wrong. But the way you do is immature. It’s like talking to a spoiled brat. I really don’t take you seriously. I don’t have to. And I know it kills you to know that your ramblings don’t resonate with me whatsoever. But I do enjoy it when you get frustrated knowing that you won’t break me. It must really suck that a POC has a mind of his own, not siding with the great xPraetori group. What a joke! LOL

    And Apollo, why don’t you and xPrae go on a date and have sex already. Don’t be shy. You know you want to. 🙂

    Take may advice, xPrae. Stick to writing, because you don’t know anything about the real world, son.

  6. One more thing, I overlooked.

    I see you were apparently frustrated, because you broke your own rule of not cursing. Isn’t part of the word jackassery, a curse word?

    Bottom line, xPrae. I find you delutional, arrogant, closed-minded, incapable of having a serious conversation, let alone an argument as you are not interested in exchanging ideas and just an overall selfish, conceited, evil-minded a-hole. Your responses have led me to that conclusion, and you can’t take looking into the mirror because you’re so scared of what you will see in the reflection.

    Have fun worshiping and defending rich, overprivileged white men who see you as nothing more than a pawn. Have fun always getting lost from reality. 🙂

  7. Hi, James (probably better than BCW, don’t you agree?)! I’ll have to take this in reverse order, since the dissertation you wrote for the other response will require more time. Let’s take this one at a time, shall we?

    You said:

    One more thing, I overlooked.

    My reply:

    Oh? Do tell!

    You said:

    I see you were apparently frustrated, because you broke your own rule of not cursing. Isn’t part of the word jackassery, a curse word?

    My reply:

    Nope. Your question was poorly posed. Based on your question, no one could ever use the words, “bass,” “pass” or things like “interstitial.” There’s no point in parsing perfectly good words at the subset level. “Jackassery” is a great word. The word “jackass” is a perfectly respectable word for “donkey,” and has come also to mean someone of less than elevated intellectual capacity. “Jackassery” is, therefore, something stupid. I encourage you to use that word instead of your usual inappropriate wording.

    You said:

    Bottom line, xPrae. I find you delutional, arrogant, closed-minded, incapable of having a serious conversation, let alone an argument as you are not interested in exchanging ideas and just an overall selfish, conceited, evil-minded a-hole. Your responses have led me to that conclusion, and you can’t take looking into the mirror because you’re so scared of what you will see in the reflection.

    My reply:

    Nothing but your usual, James, just your usual… You should know by now that name-calling is the first, middle and last resort of someone who’s out of intellectual ammunition. You should be man enough to admit it. My responses didn’t lead you to any possible conclusion except that there are other perspectives out there than yours, and that your perspectives are long overdue for a re-examination, as they are long outdated, and have long been false. As regards being open-minded, that was a chuckle-inducer too! Coming from you, that is. Let’s face it, you are not all that well-acquainted with the concept of open-mindedness, oh James, who has never conceded ONE point I EVER made, despite the fact that I made them ALL patiently, intelligently, and with documentary support and firm logic. 🙂

    “Delutional” is not a word. Did you mean “delusional?” Sorry…but I do try to assume that you’re intelligent, and that the word I see is the word you meant to type. Surely you do proofread from time to time, James?

    You said:

    Have fun worshiping and defending rich, overprivileged white men who see you as nothing more than a pawn. Have fun always getting lost from reality. 🙂

    My reply:

    I find it rolling-on-the-floor-laugh-out-loud hilarious that you decide to call me a pawn of rich, overprivileged white males — whom I’ve never, ever, not ever once defended in these or other pages. You should be ashamed of yourself for fabricating things like that. If you were ever, ever, ever A C T U A L L Y to pay attention to what I’ve written, you just might see that you and I just might have common ground here! Talk about SM-freakin’-H, James! You blew it again. Yet another missed opportunity.

    You have so much worthless, stupid, idiotic, insane, asinine, birdbrained pride that you can’t see that our argument about race relations in America has nothing whatsoever to do with my views on corporate America, and on so-called “rich, overprivileged white men” who, indeed, just might see you and me as pawns. Boy, you can be a nitwit sometimes, James! I suggest that you choose not to be one.

    However, you are, as I have mentioned many times in these pages, a mere pawn of the Race Grievance Industry, the leadership of which is getting fat, rich and happy off the bitterness and resentment they foster in sad people like you and Abagond. I’ve suggested several times that you cease to be that pawn. You’ve declined to take that suggestion, apparently content to be the puppet that you are. Ok. Your choice. If you choose to continue to be the miserable wretch you portray yourself to be on your blog, that’s your choice as well. I’d suggest, however, that you stop it.

    Best,

    — x

  8. Just as I’ve said, you’re doing exactly as I knew you would do. And I know you will keep doing what I said you will do with the rest of my responses. And I know in your mind you’re thinking of the same thing. Although, as usual, you’ll likely tell me how wrong I am seeing as how you – a white man – is right about everything lol.

  9. When you post a serious reply, with serious points and no moronic name-calling and other nitwittery, you will get a very serious reply back. You might think of changing up your tune a bit. You are a real one-note Nellie, James.

    You don’t like it that you can’t counter my points, and you’re too proud to admit it. So you simply don’t address my points and consistently fall back on your familiar name-calling jackassery (<– that great word again! 🙂 )!

    "delutional (sic), arrogant, closed-minded, selfish, conceited, evil-minded a-hole"? Really, James? Really? Is that supposed to constitute an argument? It’s nothing more than the frothing of a petulant two-year old.

    I’ve challenged you to eliminate any personal attacks, foul language and CoMIRSUS(LiMiR)MOMOPE from your scribblings, but you seem unequal to the task. Are you really that immature, James?!?

    Oh, and I’m still working on the reply to your other screed. 🙂

    Best,

    — x

  10. Can’t you see Brotha Wolf is just trying to bait you? He keeps trying to get you mad. Watching from the side as I’ve been doing, I know why he’d doing it. He really has nothing of any worth to say. I’m just not sure why he keeps at it. He HAS to know it’s obvious that he’s out of gas. Anyone can just spit out petty insult after petty insult.

    It was obvious to me after he made his idiotic “dating” comment directed at me. But then I went back and reread some of your other exchanges with this dude. As you said once, if he had to remove the insults and meaningless blather from his posts, he’d have nothing left to say.

    Apollo

  11. Hi, Apollo! Yes, I can see that James is trying to bait me. He’s been trying to bait me into saying something racist for over a year now.

    Instead of actually addressing what I say, he wastes most of his time playing this silly game of trying to psychoanalyze me.

    It’s kind of stupid, but par for the course as far as the left and the RGI are concerned. If you had to defend the vapid, outdated thoughts and conclusions they espouse, you’d become adept at deflection, diversion and evasion too!

    If you read what they write, you will see that they think they have some special, magical insights into the thinking of entire populations! It’s what allows them to “discover” racism under every rock and bush, and around every corner in America.

    You can’t, you see, deny their accusations, because they claim to know your thoughts. Furthermore, they claim that you don’t even know your own thoughts!

    Then, if you were to try to turn the tables on them, and suggest that you know what they’re thinking, they explode in outrage! “How dare you tell us what we’re thinking?!? You’re not black!”

    How do they justify that? You will see that some RGI members claim that the extra melanin in their skin gives them this magical ability and insight. Yep. That’s the level of thinking on which many in the RGI operate.

    @Apollo: I know that James is trying to bait me. I’ve known it for a long time. His goal is to trick me into saying something racist to “prove” (in his mind) that I’m really a racist. I don’t worry about it. I’m not a racist, so he won’t be able to trick me into saying anything racist.

    At the same time, James is a self-confessed racist, so I catch him all the time. He’s guilty constantly of the mind-reading and the generalizations that are the hallmark of the RGI, so it’s pretty easy to catch him at it.

    Now, if you were to remove insults, foul language, mind-reading, generalizations and racial slurs, and things he could not possibly know from his writing, you truly would leave him nothing to say.

    Best,

    — x

  12. Apollo,

    You said, ” He really has nothing of any worth to say. I’m just not sure why he keeps at it. He HAS to know it’s obvious that he’s out of gas. Anyone can just spit out petty insult after petty insult.”

    What I say may be worthless to you, but like xPrae, that’s because you’re closed minded and obviously kept from reality. And as for the insult part, maybe you need to think about your idol who refers to me as ‘Brotha Cryin Wolf’.

    xPrae,

    When you post a serious reply, with serious points and no moronic name-calling and other nitwittery, you will get a very serious reply back. You might think of changing up your tune a bit. You are a real one-note Nellie, James.

    The same goes for you. When you give serious replies with no name-calling (Brotha Cryin Wolf) and nitwittery, then I will reply accordingly.

    You don’t like it that you can’t counter my points, and you’re too proud to admit it. So you simply don’t address my points and consistently fall back on your familiar name-calling jackassery (<– that great word again! 🙂 )!

    Oh, I’ve countered them. You just couldn’t or wouldn’t accept them as valid.

    “delutional (sic), arrogant, closed-minded, selfish, conceited, evil-minded a-hole”? Really, James? Really? Is that supposed to constitute an argument? It’s nothing more than the frothing of a petulant two-year old.

    You’re not interested in arguing, debating or even conversing. You just want to tell me what you think is right while I shut up and listen. That’s what’s really going on here. Anyone can see that.

    I’ve challenged you to eliminate any personal attacks, foul language and CoMIRSUS(LiMiR)MOMOPE from your scribblings, but you seem unequal to the task. Are you really that immature, James?!?

    And like you’ve never dished out what you apparently can’t take. You not only telling me I’m wrong about my personal thoughts and opinions but also telling me they’re dumb is a prime example of a personal attack.

    Oh, and I’m still working on the reply to your other screed.

    And you will likely prove me correct in doing so.

  13. Ok… one more time unto the breech, eh, James?
    You said:

    Okay. I see how you think. According to your responses, it looks like you think the right wing is the undeniable objective viewpoint while the left simple isn’t. (This is where you tell me how I’m incorrect) And since you’re obviously on the right, that means you are always right in any “argument” or “debate” against the left. (This is where you tell me how that’s not true or what not). So, you conclude that I am a member of the left seeing as how I’m “a pawn of the RGI”. So, whatever I say concerning race must be wrong, unless it’s along the lines of what you think. (Another point where you write paragraphs about why I’m wrong again.)

    My reply:

    Wrong. As I said — all viewpoints are subjective Try to pay attention, James.

    No extra paragraphs needed, James, you’re just wrong.

    You said:

    I’ll do you a favor and keep my responses short and to the point. I really don’t have time to argue extensively seeing as how it’s futile, even though you may say that you’re interested in the exchange of ideas when all responses show that you only want me to listen to you, and not the other way around. But of course, as a member of the left and RGI, I’m wrong again, eh?

    My reply:

    You said this before posting the longest reply you’ve ever posted! You have it wrong again… I have listened to you, but I hear you — and others like you — every day. We Americans marinate 24/7/365 in a warm bath of leftist/Democrat/RGI spittle. Trust me I hear you! It’s sometimes difficult to hear anything but you! 🙂

    You said:

    Let me clarify and say that I heard he was a democrat through the comment alone. I never read it anywhere beyond that, but even so, it does not matter. I replied how both sides are racists. And I can list numerous examples of how your side is not so clean, but as usual, you will refute them for whatever meager reason like, “It’s from a liberal source” or whatever.

    My reply:

    James, James, James… Have you ever understood anything that I’ve said? No, our “side” (Conservatives) is not perfect. I never said we were. But, we’re 69,492 times better than the left! Your “side,” on the other hand, is profoundly, deeply, disgustingly racist and needs to STOP.

    You said:

    I as an individual haven’t always voted for Democrats. But when I did, it was the lesser of two evils. In the end, people are screwed either way. I can’t speak for others, but when I voted Democrat it wasn’t to get “free stuff” (Although, you may disagree seeing as how you know me better than I do, you knowing more about black people than black people and all.) I voted Democrat because evidence suggests that times will be worse if Republicans take over. But I know you don’t think that’s true. So, whatever makes you happy, little man. SMH

    My reply:

    “Little man,” James? Lol! Now, that’s funny! Speaks ever so poorly of you, but funny nonetheless. If only you know, James, if only you knew…

    First, name-calling is the first, middle and last resort of the intellectually bankrupt. You should be ashamed of your seeming inability to control your temper. I can’t say for sure, but when you voted Democrat it was likely because that was the leftmost candidate you could find.

    You suggest that “times will be worse if Republicans take over.” Seriously? Worse than this?!? You have got to be kidding! You (plural) have been voting almost exclusively Democrat for 60 freakin’ years. You give any democrat candidate an automatic head start of whatever the black population is in the area where he’s running, and you have what for that?

    I’ve read your stuff. You’re a seething, snarling, sneering, nearly homicidal mess of resentment and hatred, and race-obsessed bitterness. Name one thing — that doesn’t fall in the realm of free stuff — that your (plural) voting pattern has obtained for you.

    You said:

    You see. I was right. I knew you would call it incorrect. I knew you’d call those sites ‘leftest’. You’re incredibly predictable. LOL Still, how is supporting Bundy’s land claim not the same as supporting Bundy himself?? That makes no sense and you know it. You just can’t admit to a problem your camp has and is trying to cover up. That’s all it is.

    My reply:

    First: It’s “leftist,” not “leftest.” Please, please, please, James — proofread! “Leftest” would be a GREAT word, as a kind of a custom coinage.

    Supporting Bundy’s land claim is not remotely the same as supporting Bundy himself, obviously. I’d support also Ted Turner’s similar land claim, and he’s a left-wing, scum-sucking blatherskite and windbag. Since he’s a hard-core leftist he’s also likely a racist. However, if his land claim were correct, then his land claim would be correct, and I’d support it, all the while lamenting what a jerk Turner is. Duh! Surely you can understand that, James? Please tell me you can understand that… You’re giving me great cause to wonder whether you can.

    You said:

    Who’s scoffing as Christianity?? And unlike you, I listen to other voices aside from my own that disagrees with mine. Maybe you should learn to do so once in a while.

    My reply:

    I apologize if you do not scoff at Christianity. I hope you don’t. The rest of what you said is nonsensical. I have told you numerous times that the only reason I think as I do is that I listened (and continue to listen — obviously, James, I’m listening to you, aren’t I? 🙂 ) to opposing viewpoints. I was trapped in the same moronic mindset as you are, before I graduated from it and learned to think for myself.

    You said:

    Then why do many of them fear of some kind of retribution for their sins against POC or act surprised when they are victims of attacks by POC. And before you go there, like you always do, no. I am not excusing any act of violence against anyone. So, don’t try to put words in my text box.

    My reply:

    Almost no white person fears retribution “for their sins against People of Less Color (such as yourself).” Why? The vast, vast, vast majority (99.99999%) have never committed any sins against People of Less Color (such as yourself).” There is fear out there of mindless aggression from racist scumbags who are puppets of the Race Grievance Industry. This fear is well-founded.

    You said:

    There is no RGI. You just secretly have a problem with POC asking and fighting for the same rights and privileges whites take for granted. Of course, you won’t admit to something to true. 🙂

    My reply:

    Stop trying to mind-read, James. It’s moronic and beneath an intelligent person. I have no secrets in this debate. If you do, then your dishonesty simple underscores my points. You, of course, would not have the slightest clue as to what white people “take for granted.” I could say that black people “take free stuff for granted,” and you’d (rightfully) jump all over that. Stop your silly attempts to pretend you know more than you do. I’ll accept legitimate arguments from you, but not that kind of nitwittery.

    The RGI is a well-known immoral institution in America; the only question is the extent to which it feeds off you poor suckers who continue to feed it.

    You said:

    You love disagreeing with me, eh? So, in other words, you think one time in history was all it took for everyone to be equals? I see. Maybe you should do more research outside of a social studies elementary school text book to understand that marching to Washington and passing civil rights bills do not elimate institutionalized racism just like that. Or is that forbidden to the right to do any real…thinking and research as it goes against the concept of faith? 🙂

    My reply:

    Nope. I’d prefer to agree with you. However, since you and I are obviously poles apart, it would be odd to find areas where we agree. You obviously didn’t pay attention to what I wrote. I said that it took centuries for the white abolitionist movement to prevail, culminating finally in the Republican Party’s accession to power in 1860. Institutional racism, or ghost racism, is an intangible. Yes, there might be some of it out there, but it has to be underground, hidden, and can’t legally show its face so — read this well: it’s not a problem, James. Get the heck over it. You won’t be affected by it. And, on the odd chance that you are, you have real recourse. Stop being a sniveling wretch and grow up.

    The sneering and snarkiness speaks poorly of you. If you are going to indulge in it, please try to do it more skillfully.

    You said:

    It’s a lot better than the opposite that is being upheld by racists that say that my melanin is a curse or sign of human pathology.

    My reply:

    James, that was too stupid. No white person in the last 60 years has pretended that your melanin is “a curse or sign of human pathology.” And, no, pretending that “melanin is the God principle” is not superior to that. It’s equally moronic. You go out there in public and try to defend the idea that “melanin is the God principle.” I won’t hold my breath.

    You said:

    So spending “ten trillion dollars” was all it took for POC to forgive and forget. I guess it’s useless to ask where you got this information from. You may even say that you are its source. LOL! In any case, I wonder why you’re not vocal about the rich getting more money and privileges thanks to having friends in Washington. But helping the poor and POC is, in so many words, wrong.

    Yeah, I know. I’m wrong about that too. Go ahead and tell me. You really hate to think that even you can’t be wrong sometimes, especially if it comes to certain topics. That’s a bad sign of how someone thinks.

    My reply:

    No. Ten trillion dollars was not all it took, but read it well: It’s what you asked for. You asked for reparations, and you got them. Whether you like it or not, it was at the very least a gesture of good will. Let’s not forget that one of the reasons you in the RGI are whining so loudly is that you’re pretty sure that Republicans might turn the free stuff faucet off, or way down. If money wasn’t a major motivator for the RGI, then they should welcome the turning off of the free stuff spigot.

    James, James, James… where did you ever get the idea that I don’t want to helpt the poor and the People of Less Color? What a wacky idea. If only you knew… if only you knew. I’ll write this very slowly so you’ll have no problem reading it. (Sorry, that was snarky) The current system has not changed the poverty rate and has cost nearly 20 trillion dollars since its inception. (10 trillion going to people of less color such as you) To advocate to continue or expand the current dismal failure of a system is to say that you don’t want to help poor people and people of less color. Duh!

    You said:

    Okay, so let me ask you something, why are you so bloody concerned about what this woman says? If it bothers you, leave it and her alone. What are you possibly afraid of? If her comments and my “endorsing” them bothers you to death, why not stay away from my blog instead of lurking around for “evidence” of a nonexistent industry to write excessively about in order to continue your ridiculous concept that such an industry exist to get “free stuff”.

    And as a side note, you are completely crazy if you think POC don’t have reasons to get angry. You are the LAST person to tell POC what to think and feel. You are no expert. You don’t know jack about POC. And you know even less about their reality.

    My reply:

    Again, how do you know? You have no idea. I wasn’t bothered in the slightest about “diaryof” psychotic fantasies; I used them as an example of how she thinks, and she’s not all that uncommon out there, and you endorsed her bloodthirsty fantasy. You proved my points nicely for me.

    No white people, except for a few isolated cranks and crackpots, ever talk that way. Racism is rampant in the RGI.

    I didn’t say the RGI want “free stuff.” I said they want revenge, validation, free stuff and excuses for failure.

    You said:

    I’ve never fantasized about that. So cut the BS, XPrae. Stop trying to tell me what I think and say. If you can’t handle me speaking for myself, that’s your GD problem. And frankly, I don’t give a d*** if you get upset about it, because you know I’m no pushover.

    And that last sentence is simple. I will not waste my time explaining it to someone who acts like a spoiled child who will not listen anyway. So what’s the point? What. Is. The. Point?

    My reply:

    Yes, you did fantasize about it. You endorsed “diaryof’s” psychotic fantasy about a “solar assassination” of all white people. You cutely followed it with a cheery “Lol.” Nothing like a little mass extermination of people who look like me to bring out those chuckles, eh, James? Should I quote it for you again?

    And again, it didn’t upset me in the slightest. I simply couldn’t help pointing out the irony of your calling me crazy when you had just finished chuckling about the bloody death of more than a billion people. Ironic, I’m sure you’ll agree, is the least I could have said about it.

    You are, actually, a serious pushover. Apparently, with your belief system, you’ll fall for any old racist hooey. I guess that’s not a pushover… more like a pawn, or a dupe, or a patsy.

    That. Is. The. Point. (or at least one of ’em!) 🙂

    You said:

    Oh, stop typing. You don’t know what racism is. And like I said, you are in NO position to tell POC what it is. That’s why they laugh and mock people like you. But you’re too lost in your own fantasies to see past your own inflated ego to understand even the slightest what our problem is. You are so full of yourself, you don’t see how much of a lunatic you are. You are your biggest fan. And yet.

    My reply:

    Oh, but I am in a position to tell people of less color, such as yourself, what racism is. Why? That’s pretty easy. I have a race. Yep. I sure do. I know very well what racism is. Obviously, I know it better than you. People of Less Color who laugh at and mock anyone are morons, with poor manners. That’s why they do it.

    Actually, I am a big fan of myself, I admit it. I assume you’re a big fan of yourself, James. It’s sad when people don’t like themselves. After all who know them better than they themselves?

    You said:

    Go ahead and think that if it makes you feel great in your own mind. It’s no use talking to those who are apparently mentally disturbed.

    My reply:

    There you go with the childish name-calling again. Don’t you ever get tired of shooting intellectual blanks, James?

    You said:

    Of course, you would think it’s not serious, but since you think that, that must mean it’s objective eh?

    xPrae, you may think your side is objective. You may think you’re objective. You said once in Abagond’s that everything is political. Well, here’s a thought. There’s is something else other than right and left. There is also INDEPENDENT!

    My reply:

    Wow, James! If you re-read, you will see that I said that all viewpoints are SUBJECTIVE. SUBJECTIVE, SUBJECTIVE, SUBJECTIVE!!! (Got it? 🙂 )Why, James, do you make me waste my time in correcting the simplest things that you fail to understand? That’s the only exasperating thing about dealing with you and the RGI, James. They seem to live in this strange alternate reality where Bobby will say something like, “Look, it’s starting to snow!” And you’ll reply, “No, turnips do not produce orange juice!” You do that kind of silliness all the freakin’ time, James!

    Yes, I’d classify you as independent. Those who are further left than even the Democrat Party — the political wing of American leftism — are “Independents.” They’re really hard-hard-hard-core leftists, but “Independent” all the same, as far as political party affiliation goes.

    I do hope for the day when you think independently, instead of as a pawn of the RGI.

    You said:

    Has it ever crossed your delusional mind that maybe some things are not left or right? Has it ever occurred that those who argue with your views are not always leftists? Has it ever processed in that mind of yours that some information is not politically biased? If you’ve answered yes to any of that, then what makes them wrong as opposed to your right views?

    My reply:

    I don’t have a delusional mind, but it has crossed my mind that some things might defy right-left classification. So, I came up with a way to determine whether or not they do. I put down a continuum that ran from Zero Government to a balance of government involvement in everyone’s lives that I called “Good Government” to an oppressive, heavy-handed totalitarian government that I called “Total Government.”

    The right-most position was “Zero Government.” No one wants that. The left-most position was “Total Government.” No one wants that (except the American left, that is). The balanced position, directly in the middle, was “Good Government.” Most profess to want that. So, my test for whether something or someone sits on the right, left or in the middle, is simple. Would that thing or that person or that policy, or position, or program, or initiative, or cause, or belief tend to increase, reduce or maintain the size, scope and reach of government, relative to the equilibrium point? The “Praetori Scale” is now in use in several institutions of higher learning in America. It’s called something else, but that’ll do for the purpose of this discussion.

    As for why do I think I’m right, whereas I think you’re wrong? That’s simple. I backed up everything I said. Very, very extensively. On your pages, on those of Abagond and here. I’ve pointed to statistics, given you countless thought exercises, given you well-known history, as well as presented you with irrefutable logic. (Just two small Examples: (1) You say the things you say freely, without fear whatsoever of retribution from white people. How tough can white people really be, if they allow that? (2) Non-whites are still pouring across the border to get in not to get out. Please try to deny either of these, I dare you. 🙂 )

    You say you are not automatically a Democrat, yet I’m pretty sure you would be one of the first to scream in outrage if anyone were to propose dismantling the welfare state, despite its manifest failure to help poverty (much less cure it). You are a card-carrying member of the Race Grievance Industry, and it would be hard to find a more leftist bunch than that. One thing is certain: you oppose Republicans — the only prominent political movement today that has advanced the idea of reducing the size, scope and reach of government. Therefore all indications are that your thinking, your conclusions, ideas and proposals all would increase the size, scope and reach of government. You are a leftist, James.

    You said:

    I know you’ll spend time jotting down every single point that I made that you think is wrong. I know you’ll continue to paint me as the bad guy here. And I know that you may even think that the last parts of what I wrote is wrong too. I don’t mind being wrong. But the way you do is immature. It’s like talking to a spoiled brat. I really don’t take you seriously. I don’t have to. And I know it kills you to know that your ramblings don’t resonate with me whatsoever. But I do enjoy it when you get frustrated knowing that you won’t break me. It must really suck that a POC has a mind of his own, not siding with the great xPraetori group. What a joke! LOL

    My reply:

    James, if only you would show that you have the slightest hint of a mind of your own! You’ve swallowed the left’s and the RGI’s propaganda, hook, line and sinker, and now you sound really, really dumb. Worse, you sound like every other whiner out there looking for an excuse for failure.

    Why don’t you mind being wrong, Jim? I mind it a lot! I don’t like being wrong at all! That’s why I think as I do today. It’s why I never, ever, never, ever, ever allow an idea of mine just to sit on its laurels. I challenge them all, all the time. I have for decades.

    As you might have already heard, I used to think as you do. I used to be a whiner just like you, and I truly wanted excuses for my own failures. It was when I finally faced the fact that my failures were my own fault, that I finally started to think for myself. It’s not easy being a Conservative in America today, Jim … there are people like you all over the place who call us the vilest bilge imaginable, and many, many — like you and “diaryofanegress” who wish us dead! But the facts are the facts are the facts are the facts… and the facts of life are Conservative (Margaret Thatcher), but society’s white noise is leftist (xPraetorius).

    Jim, It doesn’t bother me in the least that “my ideas don’t resonate with you.” I came to you for learning. I just wish you weren’t such a weak interlocutor. Your ideas are stupid, and I’d be doing you a serious disservice if I didn’t come right out and tell you that. You are way-over-the-top defensive, and you resort to the lowest tactics — the mindless name-calling and such — way too easily. Again, if you note, I never insult you or question your character. But, if you put out a moronic idea for the whole world to see — as you’re prone to do — then you shouldn’t be upset when someone calls you on it.

    I’m not trying to break you, Jim — I’m a doctor, not a magician! 🙂

    You said:

    And Apollo, why don’t you and xPrae go on a date and have sex already. Don’t be shy. You know you want to. 🙂

    Take may advice, xPrae. Stick to writing, because you don’t know anything about the real world, son.

    My reply:

    This is just juvenile, Jim… Not unexpected, but juvenile all the same. I’d be embarrassed to type that kind of immature drivel.

    Best,

    — x

  14. @xPraetorius: Why can’t you just leave him alone? How do you know what has happened in his life to get him to where he is now? Look, I can tell by reading his [expletive deleted] that he’s not real happy. I’d be bitter too if I had in my life what he has in his. I don’t care if he’s a [foul language deleted] racist, and he’s sure a real jerk sometimes, but you’re just piling on him and I feel sorry for him. Why don’t you just leave him alone? Just because he’s a jerk to you doesn’t mean you can be a jerk to him. What you’re doing to him just isn’t right.

  15. @foursquare: Thanks for your comment. I had to edit some material because it didn’t comply with our guidelines for commenting on these pages. Please see my reply to Apollo, above, whose content I had to edit as well. Please also click on the link at the top of the page to the “Praetorian Style Guide…”

    As to why I continue to pummel James — aka “Brotha Wolf,” aka “Brotha Cryin’ Wolf,” that’s simple. He’s emblematic of a serious problem we have in America: it’s the problem of an entire, significant segment of society that is deeply racist, and has been for some years.

    This is the Race Grievance Industry (the RGI), about which we have made a study in our small but increasingly influential think tank, for over a year. I’m studying the foot soldiers of the RGI, while my colleagues here are studying the other strata within the organizational structure of the RGI.

    James is able to handle the pummeling, and I hope to learn things from him that I could learn only from the lowest ranks of the RGI. It is by keeping these lower ranks in inchoate rage and directionless resentment that the people at the top of the RGI obtain their wealth, influence and power.

    If the foot soldiers were, one day, to understand the opportunities in front of them, the RGI leadership would all have to go out and find real jobs. They don’t want that. I’d like to make them stop being parasites, and find real, productive work… as I’ve had to do all my adult life.

    This is the greatest, freest, most prosperous, most opportunity-laden country in the history of the world, and the “Brotha Wolf’s” of the world are doing nothing but making phony excuses for the failure of a large segment of society to take advantage of it all.

    As you might have read, I’ve encouraged James to adjust his thinking, take off his ideological blinkers and go out there and seize the opportunity that is waiting for him to seize it. Now, he’s wasting his efforts on vein-popping, spittle-flecked, frothing at mostly imaginary racism.

    I’ve suggested that he live a more reality-based life. I do that for his own good… and for the country’s. Even one person taken from the enervating, stultifying clutches of the RGI is a victory for America and all Americans — especially black Americans. I won’t abandon James to his misery.

    Best,

    — x

  16. Okay xPrae,

    Wrong. As I said — all viewpoints are subjective Try to pay attention, James.

    No extra paragraphs needed, James, you’re just wrong.

    Unless they come from you in which case they are objective and I should agree because you said so. LOL

    You said this before posting the longest reply you’ve ever posted! You have it wrong again… I have listened to you, but I hear you — and others like you — every day. We Americans marinate 24/7/365 in a warm bath of leftist/Democrat/RGI spittle. Trust me I hear you! It’s sometimes difficult to hear anything but you!

    Yet, you want me to accept your views as the truth. If all viewpoints are subjective, then why do you consider your conservative views to be the truth?

    James, James, James… Have you ever understood anything that I’ve said? No, our “side” (Conservatives) is not perfect. I never said we were. But, we’re 69,492 times better than the left! Your “side,” on the other hand, is profoundly, deeply, disgustingly racist and needs to STOP.

    Prae, Prae, Prae. I never said your side or you thought your side was perfect. I said there are racists on that side as it is the left.

    “Little man,” James? Lol! Now, that’s funny! Speaks ever so poorly of you, but funny nonetheless. If only you know, James, if only you knew…

    First, name-calling is the first, middle and last resort of the intellectually bankrupt. You should be ashamed of your seeming inability to control your temper. I can’t say for sure, but when you voted Democrat it was likely because that was the leftmost candidate you could find.

    You suggest that “times will be worse if Republicans take over.” Seriously? Worse than this?!? You have got to be kidding! You (plural) have been voting almost exclusively Democrat for 60 freakin’ years. You give any democrat candidate an automatic head start of whatever the black population is in the area where he’s running, and you have what for that?

    I’ve read your stuff. You’re a seething, snarling, sneering, nearly homicidal mess of resentment and hatred, and race-obsessed bitterness. Name one thing — that doesn’t fall in the realm of free stuff — that your (plural) voting pattern has obtained for you.

    True. Name-calling is a last resort of the intellectually bankrupt, and you should know. You engage in it too as seen in this comment. But you’re not interested in an intellectual conversation let alone a debate.

    And I stand by my response about Republicans in office based on recent history under Reagan, Bush, and Bush Jr. But Democrats are not exempt, especially under Clinton and Obama.

    Supporting Bundy’s land claim is not remotely the same as supporting Bundy himself, obviously. I’d support also Ted Turner’s similar land claim, and he’s a left-wing, scum-sucking blatherskite and windbag. Since he’s a hard-core leftist he’s also likely a racist. However, if his land claim were correct, then his land claim would be correct, and I’d support it, all the while lamenting what a jerk Turner is. Duh! Surely you can understand that, James? Please tell me you can understand that… You’re giving me great cause to wonder whether you can.

    FOX News correspondents like Sean Hannity and many conservatives stood behind this man until his obvious racist revelation surfaced. Then, they pretended not to know him.

    I apologize if you do not scoff at Christianity. I hope you don’t. The rest of what you said is nonsensical. I have told you numerous times that the only reason I think as I do is that I listened (and continue to listen — obviously, James, I’m listening to you, aren’t I? 🙂 ) to opposing viewpoints. I was trapped in the same moronic mindset as you are, before I graduated from it and learned to think for myself.

    I accept that apology. But I still stand by my views.

    Almost no white person fears retribution “for their sins against People of Less Color (such as yourself).” Why? The vast, vast, vast majority (99.99999%) have never committed any sins against People of Less Color (such as yourself).” There is fear out there of mindless aggression from racist scumbags who are puppets of the Race Grievance Industry. This fear is well-founded.

    And how do you know there is no white person that fears retribution?

    Stop trying to mind-read, James. It’s moronic and beneath an intelligent person. I have no secrets in this debate. If you do, then your dishonesty simple underscores my points. You, of course, would not have the slightest clue as to what white people “take for granted.” I could say that black people “take free stuff for granted,” and you’d (rightfully) jump all over that. Stop your silly attempts to pretend you know more than you do. I’ll accept legitimate arguments from you, but not that kind of nitwittery.

    The RGI is a well-known immoral institution in America; the only question is the extent to which it feeds off you poor suckers who continue to feed it.

    Someone telling me not to read minds is the same person who tells me that I fantasized about white genocide. LOL You are a trip.

    How is the RGI immoral? For that matter where are their headquarters since you call it an institution? LOL.

    Nope. I’d prefer to agree with you. However, since you and I are obviously poles apart, it would be odd to find areas where we agree. You obviously didn’t pay attention to what I wrote. I said that it took centuries for the white abolitionist movement to prevail, culminating finally in the Republican Party’s accession to power in 1860. Institutional racism, or ghost racism, is an intangible. Yes, there might be some of it out there, but it has to be underground, hidden, and can’t legally show its face so — read this well: it’s not a problem, James. Get the heck over it. You won’t be affected by it. And, on the odd chance that you are, you have real recourse. Stop being a sniveling wretch and grow up.

    The sneering and snarkiness speaks poorly of you. If you are going to indulge in it, please try to do it more skillfully.

    I pay more attention than you give me credit for, but I see you’re trying to twist words around and rewrite reality.

    So, since you can’t “see” institutional racism, that makes it a non-problem. That makes about as much sense as skinny dipping in a volcano.

    James, that was too stupid. No white person in the last 60 years has pretended that your melanin is “a curse or sign of human pathology.” And, no, pretending that “melanin is the God principle” is not superior to that. It’s equally moronic. You go out there in public and try to defend the idea that “melanin is the God principle.” I won’t hold my breath.

    So, I guess David Duke, Michael Savage, the KKK, and other hate groups and racist personalities are figments of my imagination. You really are trying hard to tell yourself (and me) that racism is no longer a major problem.

    No. Ten trillion dollars was not all it took, but read it well: It’s what you asked for. You asked for reparations, and you got them. Whether you like it or not, it was at the very least a gesture of good will. Let’s not forget that one of the reasons you in the RGI are whining so loudly is that you’re pretty sure that Republicans might turn the free stuff faucet off, or way down. If money wasn’t a major motivator for the RGI, then they should welcome the turning off of the free stuff spigot.

    James, James, James… where did you ever get the idea that I don’t want to helpt the poor and the People of Less Color? What a wacky idea. If only you knew… if only you knew. I’ll write this very slowly so you’ll have no problem reading it. (Sorry, that was snarky) The current system has not changed the poverty rate and has cost nearly 20 trillion dollars since its inception. (10 trillion going to people of less color such as you) To advocate to continue or expand the current dismal failure of a system is to say that you don’t want to help poor people and people of less color. Duh!

    I haven’t seen a cent of those reparations, nor have I ever heard there were any. So, my best bet is to conclude that you’re rewriting history to make white people look good.

    Again, how do you know? You have no idea. I wasn’t bothered in the slightest about “diaryof” psychotic fantasies; I used them as an example of how she thinks, and she’s not all that uncommon out there, and you endorsed her bloodthirsty fantasy. You proved my points nicely for me.

    No white people, except for a few isolated cranks and crackpots, ever talk that way. Racism is rampant in the RGI.

    I didn’t say the RGI want “free stuff.” I said they want revenge, validation, free stuff and excuses for failure.

    If you weren’t bothered, then leave it alone. Simple as that. And if you were as intelligent as you proclaim to be, you would know it doesn’t take a genius to figure out the simple function of cause and effect. And I said that once before. There’s a reason behind her sentiments. They didn’t appear from a vacuum.

    Yes, you did fantasize about it. You endorsed “diaryof’s” psychotic fantasy about a “solar assassination” of all white people. You cutely followed it with a cheery “Lol.” Nothing like a little mass extermination of people who look like me to bring out those chuckles, eh, James? Should I quote it for you again?

    And again, it didn’t upset me in the slightest. I simply couldn’t help pointing out the irony of your calling me crazy when you had just finished chuckling about the bloody death of more than a billion people. Ironic, I’m sure you’ll agree, is the least I could have said about it.

    You are, actually, a serious pushover. Apparently, with your belief system, you’ll fall for any old racist hooey. I guess that’s not a pushover… more like a pawn, or a dupe, or a patsy.

    That. Is. The. Point. (or at least one of ‘em!)

    And yet, I shouldn’t mind-read.

    And yes. I do believe that if you don’t think racism is a huge problem and that we’re asking for “free stuff”, you must be either crazy or sheltered.

    Oh, but I am in a position to tell people of less color, such as yourself, what racism is. Why? That’s pretty easy. I have a race. Yep. I sure do. I know very well what racism is. Obviously, I know it better than you. People of Less Color who laugh at and mock anyone are morons, with poor manners. That’s why they do it.

    Actually, I am a big fan of myself, I admit it. I assume you’re a big fan of yourself, James. It’s sad when people don’t like themselves. After all who know them better than they themselves?

    Yet, you don’t see the problem of telling a POC what racism is. That, in itself is a problem. And I can tell that you are a fan of yourself. I, on the other hand, don’t think too highly of myself not to open my mind.

    There you go with the childish name-calling again. Don’t you ever get tired of shooting intellectual blanks, James?

    It wasn’t name-calling if you use adjectives. Names and adjectives are two different things. A writer should know that.

    Wow, James! If you re-read, you will see that I said that all viewpoints are SUBJECTIVE. SUBJECTIVE, SUBJECTIVE, SUBJECTIVE!!! (Got it? 🙂 )Why, James, do you make me waste my time in correcting the simplest things that you fail to understand? That’s the only exasperating thing about dealing with you and the RGI, James. They seem to live in this strange alternate reality where Bobby will say something like, “Look, it’s starting to snow!” And you’ll reply, “No, turnips do not produce orange juice!” You do that kind of silliness all the freakin’ time, James!

    Yes, I’d classify you as independent. Those who are further left than even the Democrat Party — the political wing of American leftism — are “Independents.” They’re really hard-hard-hard-core leftists, but “Independent” all the same, as far as political party affiliation goes.

    I do hope for the day when you think independently, instead of as a pawn of the RGI.

    And yet, you wanted me to accept your view as the truth. What makes your “truth” any more significant than my own?

    I am thinking independently, in case you didn’t notice. But your constant disagreements have latched on to your conclusion that my mindset is automatically leftist.

    I don’t have a delusional mind, but it has crossed my mind that some things might defy right-left classification. So, I came up with a way to determine whether or not they do. I put down a continuum that ran from Zero Government to a balance of government involvement in everyone’s lives that I called “Good Government” to an oppressive, heavy-handed totalitarian government that I called “Total Government.”

    The right-most position was “Zero Government.” No one wants that. The left-most position was “Total Government.” No one wants that (except the American left, that is). The balanced position, directly in the middle, was “Good Government.” Most profess to want that. So, my test for whether something or someone sits on the right, left or in the middle, is simple. Would that thing or that person or that policy, or position, or program, or initiative, or cause, or belief tend to increase, reduce or maintain the size, scope and reach of government, relative to the equilibrium point? The “Praetori Scale” is now in use in several institutions of higher learning in America. It’s called something else, but that’ll do for the purpose of this discussion.

    As for why do I think I’m right, whereas I think you’re wrong? That’s simple. I backed up everything I said. Very, very extensively. On your pages, on those of Abagond and here. I’ve pointed to statistics, given you countless thought exercises, given you well-known history, as well as presented you with irrefutable logic. (Just two small Examples: (1) You say the things you say freely, without fear whatsoever of retribution from white people. How tough can white people really be, if they allow that? (2) Non-whites are still pouring across the border to get in not to get out. Please try to deny either of these, I dare you. 🙂 )

    You say you are not automatically a Democrat, yet I’m pretty sure you would be one of the first to scream in outrage if anyone were to propose dismantling the welfare state, despite its manifest failure to help poverty (much less cure it). You are a card-carrying member of the Race Grievance Industry, and it would be hard to find a more leftist bunch than that. One thing is certain: you oppose Republicans — the only prominent political movement today that has advanced the idea of reducing the size, scope and reach of government. Therefore all indications are that your thinking, your conclusions, ideas and proposals all would increase the size, scope and reach of government. You are a leftist, James.

    The Praetori Scale??? Come on, man. I just googled it and saw nothing. Now I know you’re your biggest fan if you make up stuff like that. LOL So, who are these institutions and what are their links?

    I haven’t seen a lot of references you left behind in my blog, and I don’t remember seeing any on Abagond’s blog. No links, quotes, nothing that I can recall. So, why not use stats and links in the back-and-forth we have now?

    So, to you I’m a leftist. And? If it’s you and your version of name-calling, I’m not offended.

    James, if only you would show that you have the slightest hint of a mind of your own! You’ve swallowed the left’s and the RGI’s propaganda, hook, line and sinker, and now you sound really, really dumb. Worse, you sound like every other whiner out there looking for an excuse for failure.

    Why don’t you mind being wrong, Jim? I mind it a lot! I don’t like being wrong at all! That’s why I think as I do today. It’s why I never, ever, never, ever, ever allow an idea of mine just to sit on its laurels. I challenge them all, all the time. I have for decades.

    As you might have already heard, I used to think as you do. I used to be a whiner just like you, and I truly wanted excuses for my own failures. It was when I finally faced the fact that my failures were my own fault, that I finally started to think for myself. It’s not easy being a Conservative in America today, Jim … there are people like you all over the place who call us the vilest bilge imaginable, and many, many — like you and “diaryofanegress” who wish us dead! But the facts are the facts are the facts are the facts… and the facts of life are Conservative (Margaret Thatcher), but society’s white noise is leftist (xPraetorius).

    Jim, It doesn’t bother me in the least that “my ideas don’t resonate with you.” I came to you for learning. I just wish you weren’t such a weak interlocutor. Your ideas are stupid, and I’d be doing you a serious disservice if I didn’t come right out and tell you that. You are way-over-the-top defensive, and you resort to the lowest tactics — the mindless name-calling and such — way too easily. Again, if you note, I never insult you or question your character. But, if you put out a moronic idea for the whole world to see — as you’re prone to do — then you shouldn’t be upset when someone calls you on it.

    I’m not trying to break you, Jim — I’m a doctor, not a magician! 🙂

    This is just juvenile, Jim… Not unexpected, but juvenile all the same. I’d be embarrassed to type that kind of immature drivel.

    I do have a mind of my own. It’s a shame you don’t want to see it and respect it.

    I can tell you don’t like being wrong, but you have to accept that sometimes you are. And it doesn’t hurt to be criticized, but you take it to a level of condemnation. That’s why I respond the way I do to your comments. They were reactions to your arrogance.

    Okay. Name-calling was juvenile and shouldn’t happen, but you need to know that and practice what you preach. Calling ideas “stupid and moronic” shows a lack of character. When you start to realize that need to share some responsibility to the way people like me, Abagond and Diaryofanegress have responded to you, maybe we would respect you a little more. You should because, after all, you started to realize that your “failures are your own fault” (Your words, not mine.).

  17. Why can’t you just leave him alone? How do you know what has happened in his life to get him to where he is now? Look, I can tell by reading his [expletive deleted] that he’s not real happy. I’d be bitter too if I had in my life what he has in his. I don’t care if he’s a [foul language deleted] racist, and he’s sure a real jerk sometimes, but you’re just piling on him and I feel sorry for him. Why don’t you just leave him alone? Just because he’s a jerk to you doesn’t mean you can be a jerk to him. What you’re doing to him just isn’t right.

    foursquare,

    xPrae can’t leave me alone. He seems to want to take my articles apart instead of having conversations and exchanging ideas. He’s more into condemning different views as opposing to just disagreeing with them. I don’t know why he’s after someone as insignificant as I am.

  18. @BrothaWolf: I’m not real happy with you either. You have xPraetorius all wrong. I know him and he happens to be the nicest and the least racist guy I’ve ever met. He’s also the most knowledgeable person I’ve ever known when it comes to current affairs, and race relations.

    You asked him once whether he knows more about black people than black people. I can tell you it’s a 99.99% certainty that he does. In certain subjects.

    Oh, he knows nothing about BEING black. Just like you don’t know anything about being white. But he can tell you chapter and verse about black Americans’ history, their economic, social, demographic and political situations through the centuries, their migration patterns, their work patterns, habits and trends, their voting patterns and their cultural histories and trends throughout history. You won’t find ANY person more knowledgeable than he is about black people in American history.

    However, his point that it’s all really about PEOPLE is a great point. He doesn’t have to be starving to understand the problem of hunger. Your dark skin doesn’t give you any special wisdom about being a PERSON. It gives you special insight into being you, and that’s about it.

    I’ve been watching this from the sidelines for some time now, and it was amusing until that really disturbing Yurugu post by your friend. You DID then endorse that post, and xPraetorius is right to call you out on it. It was a disgusting, disturbing post that fantasized about the violent death of all white people. I believe the term she used was “solar assassination.”

    I don’t agree with everything that xPraetorius says, but he sure knows how to debate, and you should know when you are overmatched and try to learn from him.

    I got mad at xPraetorius, because he’s been beating you mercilessly for some time now and I think it’s time for him to let up.

  19. Thanks for the backhanded support, foursquare.

    Ok. You say you know me, which of my friends are you? Please PM me so that I can know.

    Also, a small correction. I’m not “the least racist guy you’ve ever met.” I’m not at all racist. There is a distinction, and I insist on it. Racism is an extreme point of view. I’m like anyone else… I have the same innate cautions that everyone else has when meeting and interacting with other people. A racist goes way beyond the built-in reactions and draws conclusions based on race… before even interacting with a person. I’ve never done that in my life, and never will.

    I appreciate your kind assessment of my level of erudition, but there are many who know more than I about the condition of black Americans. They tend to be professors in universities, and they tend to focus almost exclusively on that topic. I often find that such focus — to the exclusion of other studies — gives them a tunnel vision that prevents them sometimes from seeing the larger, more rounded, more accurate picture.

    One who knows more than I, for example, but who does have a more fleshed-out perspective is Thomas Sowell.

    As far as “debating” is concerned, I find that it’s best to reduce the interaction to its essentials. Just state your point as clearly as possible, then be prepared to support it with facts and logic. It’s essential, I think, also to make sure to point out any irrelevant garbage coming from your “opponent.”

    The RGI’s “arguments” tend to be of the “You’re-a-racist-scum-so-you-have-nothing-to-say-of-any-value” type. I don’t accept that kind of playground-bully tactic, and I call it out when they do it. The problem is that even when called on it, the RGI still do it. So I simply call them on it every time. If you relent even once, if you let them get away with the bullying even once, you’ve rewarded it and you’ve validated it as a tactic.

    If you read the entire exchange above, you will see that James has called me everything in the book. (crazy, lunatic, racist, ignorant, psychopath, liar, drunk (figuratively) and more). What James fails to realize is that even if all the terrible things he has said about me were true, it’s irrelevant. If what I’m saying is true, then it’s simply true. The truth is the truth is the truth is the truth, no matter who states it. That’s, finally, why I don’t do the personal attacks — because they’re irrelevant.

    I steadfastly refuse to do the personal attacks, but opinions are fair game. 🙂

    @James: With you, I use the term “name-calling” in the strictly generic sense. If you call me “crazy,” then it’s easier to say that you’re name-calling, than it is to say that “You’re questioning my sanity.” Since you use so many noxious adjectives, I use the simple expression “name-calling” to call you on it. Surely you’re not questioning my writing ability or my vocabulary, James, are you? 🙂

    Best,

    — x

  20. foursquare, you said:

    @BrothaWolf: I’m not real happy with you either. You have xPraetorius all wrong. I know him and he happens to be the nicest and the least racist guy I’ve ever met. He’s also the most knowledgeable person I’ve ever known when it comes to current affairs, and race relations.

    You asked him once whether he knows more about black people than black people. I can tell you it’s a 99.99% certainty that he does. In certain subjects.

    Oh, he knows nothing about BEING black. Just like you don’t know anything about being white. But he can tell you chapter and verse about black Americans’ history, their economic, social, demographic and political situations through the centuries, their migration patterns, their work patterns, habits and trends, their voting patterns and their cultural histories and trends throughout history. You won’t find ANY person more knowledgeable than he is about black people in American history.

    However, his point that it’s all really about PEOPLE is a great point. He doesn’t have to be starving to understand the problem of hunger. Your dark skin doesn’t give you any special wisdom about being a PERSON. It gives you special insight into being you, and that’s about it.

    I’ve been watching this from the sidelines for some time now, and it was amusing until that really disturbing Yurugu post by your friend. You DID then endorse that post, and xPraetorius is right to call you out on it. It was a disgusting, disturbing post that fantasized about the violent death of all white people. I believe the term she used was “solar assassination.”

    I don’t agree with everything that xPraetorius says, but he sure knows how to debate, and you should know when you are overmatched and try to learn from him.

    I got mad at xPraetorius, because he’s been beating you mercilessly for some time now and I think it’s time for him to let up.

    Several things:

    1. xPrae was the one who came to my blog FIRST about an article I wrote about the Paula Deen scandal in which he left a lot of derogatory remarks and tried to question my intelligence and emotions as if I had no reason to be focused on that issue. I took it as an offense and responded accordingly.

    2. A white person who denies the existence of white privilege and believes that racism is not a big deal is in no position to educate black people or POC for that matter on what it means to be them in this country. Period.

    3. You and xPrae can avoid the issue of racism all you want. It doesn’t mean that it’s not a major issue. And unless you’ve actually been in the other guy’s shoes, you don’t know the path he has walked. Claiming that you know more than he does and downplaying the problems that caused him to be where he is is privilege talking.

    4. I never said that I didn’t endorse it. But I understood her sentiments. If you can’t understand the simple concept of cause and effect, you shouldn’t make conclusions. There are reasons and origins behind such thinking. Ignoring them and thinking they sprung out of nowhere is an example of privileged thinking.

    5. xPrae is not interested in debating because he doesn’t know how. He’s more interested in persuasion and manipulation. There is NOTHING to debate about when it comes to racism. Again, trying to downplay it is a sign of privilege. I don’t care if he thinks he won or you think he won. I’m not in this to win.

    @James: With you, I use the term “name-calling” in the strictly generic sense. If you call me “crazy,” then it’s easier to say that you’re name-calling, than it is to say that “You’re questioning my sanity.” Since you use so many noxious adjectives, I use the simple expression “name-calling” to call you on it. Surely you’re not questioning my writing ability or my vocabulary, James, are you?

    Again. Names and adjectives are two different things. You should know that, being a writer.

  21. @James, or BW, or BCW, or whoever you are. I don’t know how xPraetorius does all the fancy formatting, so I’ll just talk about your points from the top.

    1. As I said, I know xPraetorius pretty well. I’ll bet if you were to re-read his posts, you’d see that he talked about the post not about you. I agree with him. If you post something out there that someone else thinks is stupid, it’s not disrespectful to you to say that what you posted is stupid. It would be more disrespectful to you if someone lies to you to protect your feelings.

    2. Whatever. This idea of white privilege is some weird, meaningless thing. I know I have no privilege, and I’m white. TRUST me, I don’t have any privilege. However, I can guarantee you that x IS in a position to teach you. You can trust me on that too. [Editor’s Note: foursquare here divulged more information about me than he/she should. In the interest of maintaining our anonymity, I have removed that information. — xPraetorius] He can teach you.

    3. Oh, I never avoid the issue of racism. It’s a big current talking point making everyone all hot and bothered. Why would I avoid it? I’m not as up on it as xPraetorius, but I try to keep up with things.

    4. James, I’m sorry, no, I cannot understand the Yurugu writer’s sentiments. XPraetorius is right. She wished violent death on more than a billion white folks. I think that only a psychiatrist could understand that. Maybe. You say there are reasons and origins behind such thinking. But there were reasons and origins behind the thinking of Hitler too. Should we just ignore them and say HItler was okay? Is that just privileged thinking? Don’t let yourself get fooled. What she said was horrifying. What possible injustice happened to her that could possibly justify wishing death on more than a billion people?

    5. Oh, x is very interested in debating. You can trust me on THAT also! I used to get very frustrated with him, but as I went along, and as I realized that all I had to do was to put intelligent thoughts out there, it became very easy to debate him. Oh, I never beat him. You can’t, he just knows too [inappropriate word removed] much. But I learned a [inappropriate word removed]load, and I still do.

    I gather the rest of what you wrote is for x? I’ll let him reply to that.

  22. As I said, I know xPraetorius pretty well. I’ll bet if you were to re-read his posts, you’d see that he talked about the post not about you. I agree with him. If you post something out there that someone else thinks is stupid, it’s not disrespectful to you to say that what you posted is stupid. It would be more disrespectful to you if someone lies to you to protect your feelings.

    I appreciate the truth from others when it comes to their critiques. But even if he’s really calling my posts stupid and not me, how is that constructive, especially when he doesn’t add references (links, quotes, etc.) to back them up? By the way, some of his comebacks were clearly directly at me.

    Whatever. This idea of white privilege is some weird, meaningless thing. I know I have no privilege, and I’m white. TRUST me, I don’t have any privilege. However, I can guarantee you that x IS in a position to teach you. You can trust me on that too. He can teach you.

    You have privileges BECAUSE you are white. And part of how it works is making you think you don’t have any.

    Oh, I never avoid the issue of racism. It’s a big current talking point making everyone all hot and bothered. Why would I avoid it? I’m not as up on it as xPraetorius, but I try to keep up with things.

    Okay. Moving on.

    James, I’m sorry, no, I cannot understand the Yurugu writer’s sentiments. XPraetorius is right. She wished violent death on more than a billion white folks. I think that only a psychiatrist could understand that. Maybe. You say there are reasons and origins behind such thinking. But there were reasons and origins behind the thinking of Hitler too. Should we just ignore them and say HItler was okay? Is that just privileged thinking? Don’t let yourself get fooled. What she said was horrifying. What possible injustice happened to her that could possibly justify wishing death on more than a billion people?

    If you don’t understand, and refuse to, you shouldn’t make judgments. You don’t want to see that there’s a reason behind such statements. I don’t excuse it. But I understand.

    Comparing Hitler to Diary is as asinine as you can get. First off, I didn’t say her comment was ‘okay’. Second, privileged thinking is believing that racism, sexism, misogyny, and any other social ism and phobia doesn’t exist, that success is based purely on meritocracy and that those who haven’t made it just didn’t work hard enough or wasn’t smart enough, and are frustrated and depressed for no reason.

    I dunno what Diary went through to make her say that. The best thing to do is ASK HER AND LISTEN WITHOUT MAKING IT PERSONAL, not condemn her immediately.

    Oh, x is very interested in debating. You can trust me on THAT also! I used to get very frustrated with him, but as I went along, and as I realized that all I had to do was to put intelligent thoughts out there, it became very easy to debate him. Oh, I never beat him. You can’t, he just knows too [inappropriate word removed] much. But I learned a [inappropriate word removed]load, and I still do.

    He doesn’t know how to debate. He also can’t hold a civil conversation. I know that based on his responses since day one. He’s not interested in ideas that goes against his own which is why he constantly questions my intelligence to make him feel superior.

    And if I were you, I would left him alone before he sucks you in.

  23. @James: I haven’t read the exchange in question, but I’m guessing that he DID back things up with statistics etc. The dude’s a [foul language deleted] encyclopedia. Again, I don’t know anything about that first exchange, but I bet that he went after the content, and that’s just okay. If someone can’t criticize what someone else writes in a blog, what’s the point of writing it? As far as I’m concerned, if I put a stupid post out there, then it’s fine if someone calls that post stupid. I don’t take any offense at that. Why should I?

    As to his comebacks, you seem to give as good a lot more than you get. In the short time that I’ve been following your conversation, I’ve watched what you’ve said and it’s way worse than anything he’s ever said. You’ve called him crazy, lunatic, psychologically damaged, and a whole bunch of other things. If he ever called you ]foul language deleted] like that, I’ve never seen it, so he must have stopped it a long time ago. And I HAVE seen YOU call him some really rotten [foul language deleted].

    You said if I don’t understand something like what diaryof said, then I shouldn’t make judgements. But again, I don’t understand Hitler and I make judgements about him. And I think that’s alright. She said what she said and it was really disgusting. I can’t NOT make a judgement about that. She or you needs to tell what injustice could possibly justify what she said. I can’t ask her… I don’t know how to contact her. I CAN ask you. If you are saying you understand it then you can tell me what could justify it. Let me turn it around. If someone were to wish that all black people would just die, then I’d expect that people would condemn it immediately, and not feel that there was any need to try to understand the origins of the feeling. And that would be the correct way to respond to such a horrible thought. No, either your diaryof friend is prone to gruesome fantasies and is just regurgitating them in your blog, or she’s got a serious mental problem. For YOUR part, I agree with x… I can’t imagine how you would allow that to remain on your blog with a comment that seems to go along with the post. It’s a stain on it and on you.

    As for x holding a civil conversation, there’s really nobody better than him at it. You just have to check yuour pride and ego at the door, because if you’re debating him, you will get beaten.

    Even better, when you make a good point, as I hasve many times, he IMMEDIATLEY recognizes it and tells you about it, and tells you how he can learn from it. You can then expect to hear it from him in later conversations and debates. If you are able to allow yourself to be corrected you will learn so much from him you can’t imagine it. Can you tell that I’ve been through this before with him? Several times.

    As for getting sucked in, he and I have been friends for a long time. I admire, respect and like him immensely. I’ve learned more from him about how to think for myself than from any teacher I’ve ever had.

  24. @James: I’ve just spoken with x. Appreantly it wasn’t him that you debated on the Paula Deen post. It was one of the other writers in his group. I know her too. She’s really feisty. She’s another one I wouldn’t want to debate unless I was ok with getting beaten. 🙂

    You’ve only been talking with x after the Paula Deen thing.

    Now I’m interested. I have to go back and look at the Paula Deen thing and see what all the fuss is about.

    @x: I’ll be more careful with the my language on my posts. Sorry about that. 🙂

  25. To foursquare,

    I haven’t read the exchange in question, but I’m guessing that he DID back things up with statistics etc. The dude’s a ]foul language deleted] encyclopedia. Again, I don’t know anything about that first exchange, but I bet that he went after the content, and that’s just okay. If someone can’t criticize what someone else writes in a blog, what’s the point of writing it? As far as I’m concerned, if I put a stupid post out there, then it’s fine if someone calls that post stupid. I don’t take any offense at that. Why should I?

    Even though he says that it was someone else, a black woman, that initiated this whole skirmish, I have reason to doubt it seeing as how they both sound exactly alike. And you need to re-read the comment to where I said others can’t criticize, because I NEVER said anything of the sort.

    What makes a post stupid is determined by the observer. And since that observer has the right to say so, the writer has a right to respond however he (she) CHOOSES.

    As to his comebacks, you seem to give as good a lot more than you get. In the short time that I’ve been following your conversation, I’ve watched what you’ve said and it’s way worse than anything he’s ever said. You’ve called him crazy, lunatic, psychologically damaged, and a whole bunch of other things. If he ever called you ]foul language deleted] like that, I’ve never seen it, so he must have stopped it a long time ago. And I HAVE seen YOU call him some really rotten ]foul language deleted]

    Let’s see, denying the impacts of social ills, creating a false conspiracy at the expense of POC (the race grievance industry), attempting to rewrite reality, insult the intelligence of those with different views and then acts like the victim who was called on it are signs of someone not all there in my humble opinion.

    You said if I don’t understand something like what diaryof said, then I shouldn’t make judgements. But again, I don’t understand Hitler and I make judgements about him. And I think that’s alright. She said what she said and it was really disgusting. I can’t NOT make a judgement about that. She or you needs to tell what injustice could possibly justify what she said. I can’t ask her… I don’t know how to contact her. I CAN ask you. If you are saying you understand it then you can tell me what could justify it. Let me turn it around. If someone were to wish that all black people would just die, then I’d expect that people would condemn it immediately, and not feel that there was any need to try to understand the origins of the feeling. And that would be the correct way to respond to such a horrible thought. No, either your diaryof friend is prone to gruesome fantasies and is just regurgitating them in your blog, or she’s got a serious mental problem. For YOUR part, I agree with x… I can’t imagine how you would allow that to remain on your blog with a comment that seems to go along with the post. It’s a stain on it and on you.

    There’s a big difference. Hitler had the means, the power and the support to make his antisemitism a reality for millions upon millions of Jews and basically get away with it as long as he had a strong military to watch his back.

    Diary’s sentiments would have come from some kind of trauma, direct or indirect at the hands of whites. Something happened or a series of events have influenced her thinking. And to be clear. Besides, the history of white racism is soaked with the blood, sweat and tears of POC for the last few hundred years. You really think no one would hold a grudge after realizing that?

    As for x holding a civil conversation, there’s really nobody better than him at it. You just have to check yuour pride and ego at the door, because if you’re debating him, you will get beaten.

    Your friend, whom you speak so highly of, is the one with the pride and ego. At least I know when I’m wrong and are man enough to admit it. And I humble myself as best as I could. But I will NOT lie down and take any BS from anyone.

    There is nothing to debate about when it comes to racism, white privilege and the like. There is no “industry” built to guilt trip white people into giving “free stuff” to POC, especially blacks. POC are not screaming at the top of their lungs to be listened to just so we can get something for nothing, and they are NOT doing this to make white people feel guilty.

    Even better, when you make a good point, as I hasve many times, he IMMEDIATLEY recognizes it and tells you about it, and tells you how he can learn from it. You can then expect to hear it from him in later conversations and debates. If you are able to allow yourself to be corrected you will learn so much from him you can’t imagine it. Can you tell that I’ve been through this before with him? Several times.

    What if I don’t want to be taught by him? What if I have learned nothing from him? Does that automatically make me stupid?

    I know I still have lots to learn, but I prefer not to be “educated” by a man who says that racism is not a big problem when there are tons of unbiased evidence that suggests otherwise. Period.

    As for getting sucked in, he and I have been friends for a long time. I admire, respect and like him immensely. I’ve learned more from him about how to think for myself than from any teacher I’ve ever had.

    All I can say is be careful.

  26. @James: You may not know they are two different people, but I do. x is a HUGE white guy way over 6′ tall, and he used to be really muscular. He’s a bit older now, I’d say in his late 40s. He’d make Schwarzenegger look small. He was once a professional baseball player, and she’s a tiny black woman. She’s real soft-spoken until you push one of her buttons like I did once. I won’t make THAT mistake again. I think she’s so feisty because she’s so tiny. She doesn’t like to be pushed around.I don’t know why they seem to soiund alike. Maybe it’s because they think very similarly.

    I know that x doesn’t deny any social ills or their impacts. I don’t know why you think he would. I know him and he’d never do that. There’s no one more concerned about social ills than him. Are you sure you uunderstood what he wrote? He writes like everyone is a PhD who reads his stuff.

    I don’t care that Diary doesn’t have the means to act on hjer wacko fantasy. And what happened to her whatever it is can’t be enough to justify her wish. It’s sick. I wish you’d have the moral courage to admit that. Yousaid you could imagine something that would justify it. Can you please tell me what that is?

    James, about pride and ego, but in all that I’ve ever read from YOU in this thread you’ve never admitted where you might be wrong. I know x, and he’d never need you to admit you were wrong, unless you said something really bad, but he’d say that you could learn another perspective from him or from anyone and that that’s always a good thing.

    I have to call you out on something. YOu said There is nothing to debate about when it comes to racism, white privilege etc. I hope you’re kidding. Tehse are not things you can hold in your hand and look at and measure, so of course there’s plenty to debate. As I mentioned to you before, I’m white and I CERTAINLY don’t have any privilege! When you said something about me having privilege just because I’m white, I almost fell off my chair laughing. How cuiold you POSSIBLY know that. I’ve read enough to know that you’ve yelled at x a bunch of times becsause you say he coiuldn’;t possibly know what its like to be black. Well, you can’t possibly know what ti’s like to be white. Come on, James. That’s pretty basic.

    If you don’t want to be taught by x, I feel sorry for you. One thing that x has hammered on me many times is you can learn from anyone. If he’s been hanging around arguing with you for a liong time, then he must think there’s more he can learn from you. It’s a shame you don’t feel the same way. I thought that was the whiole idea behind “diversity,” the idea of people who weren’t like each other learning from each other.

    If you think racism is a big problem and x is arguing against you, then I’d bet that he says that he has tons of unbiased evidence to support HIS point of view. I’ve never seen him lsoe an argument or a debate. He says ve4ry clearly, If I don’t know abiout a subject, I won’t debate it. Does he say that racism doesn’t exist or something? I’d bet also that he sprang a bunch of things that you weren’t ready for, like his famous “thought exercises,” or “thought games.” He’s famous for those, and they do help to make things clearer. If you’re trying to beat him at any debate, I pity you.

  27. I know that x doesn’t deny any social ills or their impacts. I don’t know why you think he would. I know him and he’d never do that. There’s no one more concerned about social ills than him. Are you sure you uunderstood what he wrote? He writes like everyone is a PhD who reads his stuff.

    If xPrae is as concerned as you say he is, he wouldn’t make ridiculous notions like ‘racism is not a big problem’.

    I don’t care that Diary doesn’t have the means to act on hjer wacko fantasy. And what happened to her whatever it is can’t be enough to justify her wish. It’s sick. I wish you’d have the moral courage to admit that. You said you could imagine something that would justify it. Can you please tell me what that is?

    Let’s say that my guess is true, what about the white people who have harmed her? What about the white people throughout history that has harmed and destroyed POC. Where was their moral courage? And since you brought up Hitler, where was his moral courage? And let me tell you what’s sick. Hearing you disregard any possible explanation for statements that can NEVER be accomplished at the magnitude that would rival that of Hitler alone, let alone the compilation of genocide at the hands of white Americans, Europeans, Russians, and Australians. You don’t understand her frustrations. So, stop trying to preach from a soapbox about moral courage.

    James, about pride and ego, but in all that I’ve ever read from YOU in this thread you’ve never admitted where you might be wrong. I know x, and he’d never need you to admit you were wrong, unless you said something really bad, but he’d say that you could learn another perspective from him or from anyone and that that’s always a good thing.

    If and when it happens, I’ll admit it. Until then, I have nothing to say. And I already am well versed in how xPrae thinks as he probably knows how I think. But he is NOT interested in my perspective, never have and never will. Period. He keeps mentioning ‘different perspectives’ but it’s clear he doesn’t respect him. If he doesn’t, why should I respect his?

    I have to call you out on something. YOu said There is nothing to debate about when it comes to racism, white privilege etc. I hope you’re kidding. Tehse are not things you can hold in your hand and look at and measure, so of course there’s plenty to debate. As I mentioned to you before, I’m white and I CERTAINLY don’t have any privilege! When you said something about me having privilege just because I’m white, I almost fell off my chair laughing. How cuiold you POSSIBLY know that. I’ve read enough to know that you’ve yelled at x a bunch of times becsause you say he coiuldn’;t possibly know what its like to be black. Well, you can’t possibly know what ti’s like to be white. Come on, James. That’s pretty basic.

    I knew that white privilege comment will touch a nerve with you. But there is nothing to refute. You DO have white privilege because you HAVE white skin. And as such you have societal advantages that I don’t have.

    If you don’t want to be taught by x, I feel sorry for you. One thing that x has hammered on me many times is you can learn from anyone. If he’s been hanging around arguing with you for a liong time, then he must think there’s more he can learn from you. It’s a shame you don’t feel the same way. I thought that was the whiole idea behind “diversity,” the idea of people who weren’t like each other learning from each other.

    But xPrae is more interested in teaching than learning. It’s a shame you don’t want to see that siding with him almost unconditionally.

    If you think racism is a big problem and x is arguing against you, then I’d bet that he says that he has tons of unbiased evidence to support HIS point of view. I’ve never seen him lsoe an argument or a debate. He says ve4ry clearly, If I don’t know abiout a subject, I won’t debate it. Does he say that racism doesn’t exist or something? I’d bet also that he sprang a bunch of things that you weren’t ready for, like his famous “thought exercises,” or “thought games.” He’s famous for those, and they do help to make things clearer. If you’re trying to beat him at any debate, I pity you.

    I have not seen one ounce of unbiased support on his view. If I did, I would consider it and respect it. But I won’t agree. But clearly, he has nothing to give.

    If you think this is all about winning a debate, you’re wrong. This is not about winning. And I don’t expect to win, not because he’s right, but because there’s no point. He has made up his mind, and you have made up your mind. So, there’s no need to continue this back and forth any further, because it’s apparent you two will NEVER understand and will NEVER respect my POV. But if you think that means you and xPrae won, go ahead if it makes you feel big.

    Adios.

  28. Foursquare: Nice to catch up with you again after these past few years!

    First of all, my apologies! We worked together where? Nigeria? South Africa? Both? Neither? I’ve been in so many countries in Africa that I get all mixed up sometimes about with whom I’ve worked, and where!

    I know we spent some time together in South Africa but I’ve forgotten whether that particular trip was for work or relaxation… can you fill me in?

    Thanks for your kind words about me above. I’m flattered. I never thought I’d made that much of an impression on you. You were always quiet, hard-working, focused and … stubborn! (one of the things I liked about you)

    I see you’ve found our little publication. Generally involvement is more-or-less “invitation-only,” but your contributions are always welcome. I understand that you’ve done some very important work since we last saw each other, and I have to admit I’m impressed by your Wikipedia biography!

    I have an official function to attend in D.C tonight, but hope to be back later to catch up with our self-styled “brotha.” In the meantime, again, I appreciate the kind words.

    Best,

    — x

  29. @James: If x says that “racism is not a big problem” then I’m sure he has made the case and in fifteen million different ways. He doesn’t say anything unless he has something to back it up. He doesn’t just take flyers. You’d be well advised to listen to him. You’d learn stuff that’s for sure.

    About Diary’s thing. I care deepley about what was done to other people by white people and vice versa but I don’t know what they have done to deserve a wished for death. The only genocide done by whtie people was by Hitler in WWII. Let’s face it, as far as genocide is concerned, no race has completely clean hands. In your little list, you left out the Chinese the Cambodians the Vietnamese the Muslims the INdians the AMERICAN Indians and Africans all over the continent. All of these were ethnic genocides. If I understood your garbled sentence about magnitude, you’re saying that wishing to kill all white people is not as bad as actually killing people. In a way that’s true. But it’s only the RESULT that’s not as bad. The fantasy itself is every bit as evil as Hitler’s fantasy. Just because Diary can’t kill all white people doesn’t mean that she wouldn’t if she had the chance. It’s obvious that her fantasy is just as evil as Hitler’s. Australians never committed any genocide. I understand that no frustrations she has experienced could justify a desire to kill more than a billion people. But I’m willing to learn. You said you can think of something that would justify killing all white people. What is that?

    Your white privilege thing touched a nerve only because it was so stupid. I dont’ like having to argue with stupid things. You have no idea what I have and don’t have unless I tell you all that. I’m telling you now, that I have no white privilige. I have no priovilige of any kind at all. If you can’t understand that, then you are claerly an [gratuitous insult removed]. How could you possibly presume to tell me what I have and what I don’t have? Wowzers! If I tried to do that to you, you’d jump down my throat pretty quick! If you really believe that you can tell me about myself because I’m white, then you are a complete [gratuitous insult removed].

    About different perspectives, you’re wrongt. You’re MUCH more closed-minded than x.

    I went abck and read a bunch of what x wrote on your blog. He referred to Abagond’s blog too. Apparently you both had an argument there too, so I read the Notes on x thing there. Whew! Interesting reading! All he DID there was argue facts and logic. Like I figured, he did all sorts of “thought exercises” too. I noticed tha t no one addressed either his facts or his thought exercises, so you can’t say that he didn’t provide unbiased support for his views. He did. You didn’t address them.

    Your last sentence is wrong. I haven’t made up my mind about anything. I’m always learning. Hwoever, you’re wrong beliefs are locked in your head. What’s the saying? And you won’t let facts get in your way. You’re a [gratuitous insult removed] James, a [gratuitous insult removed].

  30. @foursquare: thanks for your contribution. I have edited out some of it, that doesn’t comply with our standards for interaction with others here.

    Please do not include any gratuitous insults in your posts. I enforce a policy that I will not insult my interlocutors, or question their character in any way. I expect those who write in to adhere to that standard as well. You may criticize the content of any given post, but not the intelligence, motivation or character of the writer.

    Best,

    — x

  31. I’ve been watching this from the sidelines for a while now, and rolling on the floor laughing as James splutters and splutters. He is a real gold medal winner in the Oppression Olympics! I have one little point to make. If we white people are unaware of our privilege and only black people can see it or understand it then doesn’t it stand to reason that black people have the same kind of things that only white people can see? Just wondering.

  32. @Apollo: You have a good point. The whole idea of “White Privilege” is a bunch of hooey. Since it’s a complete intangible you can’t prove it or disprove it. It’s the old “Privilege is to white people as water is to a fish” argument. They’re not conscious of it because they’re always in it, and it’s always there.*

    More to the point you can’t even say whether so-called “White Privilege” has a deleterious effect on those who don’t have it! Who knows, It might have a positive effect on those who don’t have it! Or maybe it’s a disability for whites! To listen to non-whites talk about white people, you can be sure they think it hasn’t affected white people positively. Many of them think it’s part of what turns white people into genocidal maniacs!

    It’s the very same thing as if I were to say that all blacks are paranoid. Then when they disagree, I could say to them, “Well, you can’t see it and you can’t understand it because you’re paranoid. It’s like water to a fish.”

    I know perfectly well that not all blacks are paranoid, but if I were to try to make the “blacks are paranoid” argument, it’s perfectly impossible for black people in particular to disprove it. In other words, like “White Privilege,” “Black Paranoia” is impossible to disprove… and a ridiculous concept. It’s equally valid to say that “White Privilege” exists to exactly the same extent as “Black Paranoia.” Prove it wrong, I dare you.

    Since you can neither prove nor disprove these things, therein lie their cleverness, their falseness, and ultimately their worthlessness.

    Best,

    — x

    * – By the way, fish are very much aware of water, so even that is a stupid argument to use. 🙂

  33. Jim: I have to address a couple of things you said before. You seem to have this strange idea that I should “respect your point-of-view (POV)” while you do nothing but heap scorn on mine, calling it (and me) racist, ignorant, dishonest and any number of other things. Why, pray tell, should I respect your POV, when you manifestly refuse to respect mine?

    Let’s be clear about some things. Are you asking me to respect your POV, or to respect you? If you’re asking me to respect you, then I do. I actually have quite a bit of respect for you. You get out there. You put your thinking out there for the whole world to see. You do take some risk. You don’t just sit there and seethe on the sidelines.

    In taking risks, you came across me. That was a risk you took, and I applaud you for it. I don’t think you’ve handled your interaction with me and my group particularly well, but you ran the risk. That’s a whole heckuva lot more, whether you want to admit or not, than your other friends had the courage to do.

    You’ll notice that “Diaryof,” and Herneith, and others from your blog who may have come under our scrutiny have, despite their militant, aggressive, oh-so-tough postures, largely skipped town, leaving only you to defend their posts.

    They posted their stuff, then retreated, unwilling, or unable, to handle the defense of their own thinking. You stood in there, for a while at least, and tried to go toe-to-toe with me on their behalf. Drive-by commenters are cowards.

    I neither respect, nor admire your POV, but I respect and admire you. There is a real difference. I have many real friends on the left, whom I respect and admire, despite the fact that they hold what I consider wildly incorrect views.

    They do have one thing that you seem to be missing: they allow me to state my point-of-view and give me the benefit of the doubt that my intentions are good. We debate frequently, and we have two simple rules: (1) We always assume that the other is telling the truth as he sees it, (2) we never permit mind-reading of any kind, so we never draw conclusions as to the intent behind an argument.

    If you were to adhere to those rules, you would find that you could put your ideas to real tests and see where they’re deficient.

    James, one thing I have learned over the years is that no viewpoint is ever complete, or perfect, or sacrosanct. Every argument can use some shoring up somewhere. I’d much rather divest myself of a weak or incorrect thought, than hold onto it. Someone who corrects me has done me a favor.

    So, while I admire you a great deal, Jim, you do need to do some soul-searching. You live in the country in the world that offers by far the most opportunity to any person regardless of superficial differences like appearance, skin color, sex, age or anything else. If you (you personally, and “you” in the generic sense) are going to say that your skin color is an obstacle to your success in America, then there are numerous examples of how wrong that conclusion is, (Oprah, Obama, millions of others) but the very worst thing is that you might choose never even to try in the first place. If I know I can’t do something — whether I’m right or wrong in that feeling — I won’t even try, and I just might be tempted to find all sorts of excuses for my neglecting even to give it a shot.

    This is the work product of the RGI: “White Privilege,” “Institutional Racism” — these are nothing more than a constant supply of excuses for failure.

    Far worse, though, these are also excuses to avoid even trying. This last is one of the most important social / economic / political phenomena in America today. We’ll be revisiting it in future explorations and posts.

    You, however, don’t have to fall for the RGI’s twaddle, Jim. You can choose to succeed in America, where there are fewer obstacles to your success than in any other country in the world.

    Also, a bit further above, you mentioned that you agree with me on some things. Please name one.

    Best,

    — x

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