How the Left “Debate”


I put a little post out there. I called it: “Obama Calls Gun Rights Supporters ‘Liars’

The headline was objectively true. Obama did call Gun Rights supporters liars. I then called Obama a liar. Some might consider that objective truth as well. However, one reader did not. I have reproduced below how he responded. Then, I responded right back to his response.

The reader’s name is “Questionman,” but I renamed him, because “man” is certainly an inaccurate term for this guy. I called him “QuestionAdolescent,” because I’d judge his mental age to be about 14 or so. He has a blog at http://questionman.wordpress.com. I’ll check it out later to see whether it’s as incoherent as his steaming mess below. [Update: He has a WordPress and a Blogspot blog, but doesn’t appear to have updated either in six-seven years. Oh, well…maybe just a drive-by crank.]

“Questionman” sounds like a frothing, drooling, slack-jawed, mouth-breathing moron…in other words a perfectly typical leftist. His post is a steaming pile of armadillo-poo, like those of most leftists.

I remind him of all of this, and have some fun with his “grammar” too, below.  Note: he was able to stay on topic only for the first half of his screed…I addressed the second, off-topic half inline in his text.

Here’s the exchange:

Questionman’s response to my original post:

“Obama Gun Grab Defeated”? If the Racist Right’s hate fest wasn’t so deranged and divorced from reality, it might be funny.

President Obama’s gun control bill was shot down yesterday by a majority of votes, and whines like a little baby. Got to admit that pretty pathetic, but not as pathetic as the Racist right’s retalition to this news.

“No. It was a glorious day for the U.S. Constitution, the 2nd Amendment, and freedom in America.”

you are a pathetic and ignorant fool! [My Note: Are you my ex-wife…? C’mon, ‘fess up!] And so are the people agreeing with you that this is a victory for America. There is no victory here, just a sad and disgusting loss. This is a win for the Racist, bigoted, gun-loving right-wing scumbags to deman the black man in office. that ALL it is!!

Perhaps you might tell us what lies those were Obama spread? We damn sure heard all the lies you, old Insane Wayne and the Tea party were spreading about Obama’s gun control.

Remember the idiotic phrase you ***s are using today.. “gun grab”!?!?!

Get this through you thick, retarded heads..it was not, it wasn’t nor is it ever will be a ‘gun-grab’ bill. The bill would have expanded background checks for guns, a rather minor measure.

and how the gun nuts all think that Obama wants to take their guns. Which isn’t at all true and anyone with half a brain would know that. Also, can someone please provide evidence that Obama wants to “take your guns” from you…You can’t because they don’t exist, neither does a law passed under Obama that has restricted gun rights!

If background checks are anti-Second Amendment, the NRA leadership, assuming it is at least modestly interested in adhering to principle, should take some of the millions it gets from the gun manufacturers and immediately launch a massive campaign to repeal all existing state and federal law related to background checks.

[My Note: This is where you went off-topic, but I’ll address some of it, just to help you out some.] 
Is Barack Obama an evil man?
No. [My Note: No one said he was. A doofus? Sure. Out of his element? Definitely! Note: this is not nearly as harsh as what was directed at George W. Bush for eight years! And I’m no big fan of Bush’s!]

Is Barack Obama Destroying America? [My Note: This thread didn’t address this topic, but now that you mention it…read more in our blog, and you will see some convincing arguments that he just might be succeeding at it…whether or not he’s trying!] 
No. The economy (biggest concern among the electorate) is slowly recovering and growing. [My Note: Says who?!? Certainly not the unemployed, or the largest idle work force in American history!] He is trying to responsibly end two wars while also dealing with tensions in Asia, and he’s done a fairly decent job thus far. Not sterling, but then again, nobody is. [My Note: Again, off-topic…however, Obama’s foreign policy is an unmitigated disaster. The last four years are littered with nuclear Iran, nuclear North Korea, islamist Egypt, tens of thousands dead and still dying in Syria, Libya, Benghazi, failed reset in Russia, and on and on and on and drearily, feebly on…]

Is Barack Obama a Narcissist?
No. [My Note: Yes. Duh! So what?]

Is barack Obama a Marxist?
No. If he were he would be leading the socialist revolution to overthrow the current government, not civically participating in that government [My Note: Off-topic, but there is much to indicate that he has a very socialistic view of the role that the government ought to play in all our lives. Whether he CALLS it Marxism or not is perfect irrelevant. In fact, he certainly wouldn’t use the term in public…it’d be political suicide.]

Is Barack Obama a Communist?
No. Do you even know what communism is? There’s theoretical and actual, for whether or not he is an actual communist, see above. For theoretical communist, that would mean abolishing government and having a classles, stateless, moneyless society. He’s clearly not for that, so, that’s a resounding no. [My Note: Wow! You clearly don’t want to match wits with me on what constitutes or does not constitute a “Communist!” Trust me on this one, QA…best to let that one rest!]

Why do cons have such seething hatred for President Obama? Oh, yeah ! keep forgetting because he’s black! [My Note: Wrong — no one I know hates him…but Obama is an out-of-his-element doofus, whose moronic policies are bringing the greatest country that ever existed to its knees. That you reflexively defend him because of his race, and that you give him a pass because of his race, brands you as a racist more than anything else. You are an out-an-out racist. ]

You call Obama a traitor, you are a racist! [My Note: Wrong — no one at this blog ever said that — and you’re a pervert and a child molester.] 
You call Obama a POS, you are a racist! [My Note: Wrong — no one at this blog ever said that — and you’re a pervert and a child molester.] 
You call Obama a fraud, you are a racist! [My Note: Right and Wrong — he’s a fraud — and you’re a pervert and a child molester.]

Remarkable how gobs of money, [My Note: Where? ] remorseless fear-mongering, staggering misinformation, [My Note: Where? ] electoral extortion, [My Note: Compared to what? The Democrats? You make me laugh here! ] and the inevitable Republican filibuster can combine to thwart the popular will. Then again, maybe not so remarkable. [My Note: You’re wrong: we did not support Obamacare! Ooooohhh…you meant gun control! You meant the issue where fully FOUR percent of the population considers it an important issue! Whoo-hoo! There’s some popular support for you! ]

The bill is shot down, and well by all means… we shouldnt infringe the rights of murderous gangs and lunatics! ANYTHING to stop the black man in the White House!!! [My Note: I just want to be clear here…do you mean the murderous gangs that are all using illegal handguns that weren’t mentioned anywhere in the defeated bill? Those murderous gangs? ]

My response to “Questionman:”

Hi, QuestionAdolescent! Thanks for visiting…I cleaned up some of the unacceptable language in your illiterate rant. Most of what you wrote is barely coherent or nonsensical, but I’ve debated with lots of low-information people such as yourself, so usually I can translate.

Let’s see if we can take your points one-by-one. I’ll extend to you the courtesy you seemed incapable of extending to others, and not attack you, but your “thinking.” If you have any trouble understanding these things, please feel free to message me, and I can explain it to you offline so you don’t have to embarrass yourself.

Point 1 — YOU SAID: “Obama Gun Grab Defeated”? If the Racist Right’s hate fest wasn’t so deranged and divorced from reality, it might be funny.”

MY NOTE: First a grammar point: Use “weren’t.” You were trying to get to the subjunctive here, but failed. I’m guessing you’re not doing well in your high school English classes? Next: You started with a throwaway paragraph as your opening! THAT was kind of dumb! Just a rhetorical opening salvo, but you shouldn’t lead with a throwaway…you give away that you’re out of ammunition before you even start!

I should note here that your opening is further weakened here by starting off with an accusation here that’s REALLY easy to counter. I’ll admit to you that there IS such a thing as a “Racist Right,” and that there are about four members in their little club. However, if you were to check the rather extensive documentation in this very blog, you would see that our little think tank here has made quite a convincing case that racism is REALLY quite a serious problem of the left…of which YOU appear to be a member. And, while the left keeps accusing us on the right of hating blacks and minorities, you guys on the left ACTUALLY kill them…by the hundreds and thousands. Want some easy proof? I think you will agree that the two greatest hellholes in America are Detroit and Chicago. No one disagrees with that. Further, you will agree, these two once great cities have been controlled by the Democrat Party and by Democrat Party politics and policies for DECADES. People — mostly minorities — die violently by the many hundreds EVERY year, with no end in sight.Why? Illegal handguns…not even MENTIONED in the bill that was defeated. You have to face it: QuestionAdolescent: the people and policies YOU support KILL black people in droves each year. And YOU call ME a racist?

Point 2 — YOU SAID: “President Obama’s gun control bill was shot down yesterday by a majority of votes, and whines like a little baby. Got to admit that pretty pathetic, but not as pathetic as the Racist right’s retalition to this news.”

MY NOTE: First, “retalition” is not a word. I assume you meant “retaliation?” But that makes no sense. Why would the right want to “retaliate” for a victory? React with glee or triumphantly, maybe, but not retaliate. So, I’m going to assume you meant: “reaction.” Ok…let’s see how you elaborate from here…

Also: I gather that you said that Obama whined like a little baby? Hard to tell…again, your writing is largely incoherent.

Point 3: YOU SAID: “you are a pathetic and ignorant fool! And so are the people agreeing with you that this is a victory for America. There is no victory here, just a sad and disgusting loss. This is a win for the Racist, bigoted, gun-loving right-wing scumbags to deman the black man in office. that ALL it is!!”

MY NOTE: First you don’t even know me, so your opening phrase was particularly weak. However, if we pretend that you CAN know ALL about me by reading a few things that I wrote, then I can do the same with you. You are a pervert and a child molester. You’re also, as discussed above, a murderer of minorities, women and children. You plainly should be institutionalized somewhere.

Oops! I shouldn’t have violated my pledge not to attack your character! I retract the above paragraph.

One more thing: About: “…This is a win for the Racist, bigoted, gun-loving right-wing scumbags to deman the black man in office. that ALL it is!!” This is incoherent. If you meant that the purpose of defeating the bill was to “deman” Barack Obama, your conclusion is so obviously stupid, it seems almost pointless to explain it. The purpose of defeating the bill was to defeat the purpose of the bill. Nothing more. And: “deman” is not a word…did you mean “demean?” Or were you trying to coin a new word? By the way, you might do better in High School English if you did a little PROOFREADING once in a while! :)

And, don’t forget, racism is REALLY a problem of the LEFT. You DO remember the KKK-founding, Jim Crow, Segregation-loving, Eugenics-supporting, “inferior race elimination-” supporting DEMOCRAT Party of the first half of the 20th Century, don’t you? Did you know that the Democrat Party has NEVER ACTUALLY come out and denounced their REALLY ugly past?

You don’t REALLY support those racists, do you? What does that make you?

Point 4 — YOU SAID: “Perhaps you might tell us what lies those were Obama spread? We damn sure heard all the lies you, old Insane Wayne and the Tea party were spreading about Obama’s gun control. Remember the idiotic phrase you ***s are using today.. “gun grab”!?!?! Get this through you thick, retarded heads..it was not, it wasn’t nor is it ever will be a ‘gun-grab’ bill. The bill would have expanded background checks for guns, a rather minor measure.”

MY NOTE: Where to start, where to start…First, the lies…when WASN’T he lying?!? His entire campaign of 2008 was a lie. His success proved all his hysterics to be lies and slander…That was easy. There are too many to catalog here, so I’ll let you do a little research on your own. Just so you know, there were provisions in the bill, which if interpreted in certain ways, justified the confiscation of guns. It could have been viewed as a “gun grab” bill. Also, if the bill were to restrict ANY legitimate potential gun owner from owning a gun, then that would make it a “gun grab” bill as well.

Further: the insults reveal, yet again, that that your post is more a fit of pique than an attempt to put a serious argument out.

Point 5 – YOU SAID: “and how the gun nuts all think that Obama wants to take their guns. Which isn’t at all true and anyone with half a brain would know that. Also, can someone please provide evidence that Obama wants to “take your guns” from you…You can’t because they don’t exist, neither does a law passed under Obama that has restricted gun rights!”

MY NOTE: This is also incoherent…in the future, do try to give at least a passing glance at grammar, punctuation, capitalization and PROOFREADING. I have to presume WAY too much to try to weed through your incoherence.

Okay: Evidence that Obama wants to take guns away from people. It is well-known that an objective of the American left is to put in place Great Britain-style gun control. Obama belongs to the leftmost wing of the American left, where that sentiment is the strongest. It is reasonable to believe that he shares that belief with his fellow leftist confrères. He could NEVER say it out loud, due to political realities, but it’s perfectly reasonable to suggest that he is in synch with that state of mind. In politics, one DOES have to engage in a great deal of extrapolation and conjecture to get at what people are truly thinking. That’s the great thing about sitting on the sidelines as we do. We can do that with relative impunity.

QA: Play a little thought game with me: If a genie suddenly appeared in front of Obama and said, “Mr. President, if you push this little red button, every gun owned by a civilian in America today will wink out of existence. Do you think he’d do it? Nope. You and I both KNOW he’d do it. :)

Point 6 — YOU SAID: “If background checks are anti-Second Amendment, the NRA leadership, assuming it is at least modestly interested in adhering to principle, should take some of the millions it gets from the gun manufacturers and immediately launch a massive campaign to repeal all existing state and federal law related to background checks.”

MY NOTE: The Second Amendment says: “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.” I think it’s obvious that background checks constitute an “infringement on the right to bear arms.” However, the Supreme Court has indicated that there ARE some infringements that can pass constitutional muster. If all that you and I disagree on is where to draw the line on what constitutes an infringement, and you are willing to call me a racist, and a scumbag, and an ****ole, and a pathetic, ignorant fool — all YOUR words — then you just might be psychotic. Do you become similarly deranged around EVERYONE who disagrees with you? Do you ALWAYS launch frothing, spittle-flecked, unhinged, manson-esque diatribes against people with whom you have slight disagreements? Have you seen a professional lately? I’m pretty sure YOU might be one of those on the list of people who ought not to have guns. :)

As regards the NRA, their official views appear to be right in line with those of past Supreme Court decisions. They and the Supreme Court appear — so far, at least — to think that “the line” is just about in the right place.

Point 7 — The rest of your screed was off-topic, so I addressed Point 7, inline, in red, in your post itself.

Please note, QA, I’ll use this post and my reply in a later blog post to show some of the brain-dead “thinking” of the left. It’s an ongoing project of this think tank, and your screed above is textbook!

Best,

– xPraetorius

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